Dbol with Eq vs. Dbol with Deca

[Alcatraz]

I have been doing some reading and found some interesting facts. I read that dbol acts very similiar to eq. Therefore it would not be wise to run the two together, but rather deca and dbol. Yet, I have found alot of guys runing cycles of eq, and dbol. (I would ofcourse add a test regardless.)

If a guy was looking for mass gains, which is the best?

Thanks

[flexmaster]

Originally Posted by Alcatraz

I have been doing some reading and found some interesting facts. I read that dbol acts very similiar to eq. Therefore it would not be wise to run the two together, but rather deca and dbol. Yet, I have found alot of guys runing cycles of eq, and dbol. (I would ofcourse add a test regardless.)

If a guy was looking for mass gains, which is the best?

Thanks

where are you reading that dbol acts similar to eq?

[Zuke]

I think we need to know your stats and such, in order to make an accurate response. BTW, if you are thinking Dbol and EQ are similar i think maybe your should do dome more research and you may not be ready for aas yet

[Alcatraz]

Originally Posted by Zuke

I think we need to know your stats and such, in order to make an accurate response. BTW, if you are thinking Dbol and EQ are similar i think maybe your should do dome more research and you may not be ready for aas yet

Alright Zuke. Read this. I have read this on a couple of boards in the profiles section. I highlighted the important stuff. But I do appreciate the cocky comment. This should shut you up.

Equipoise (Boldenone Undeclynate), or "EQ" is one of the most widely used compounds by athletes today. Even though it is a vetrinary steroid, the quality of production is quite high due to its use in rather expensive animals. It is one of the safest and most effective steroids used today, by athletes, power lifters and bodybuilders. It can effect slow and continuous muscle mass and strength gains over a prolonged period, and generally cycles with this drug tend to be quite long because of this fact. Gains on a cutting cycle including Eq tend to be high quality lean mass, while bulking cycle gains with Eq aren't as "clean" but still have a very nice quality about them. This could be due to Eq's resistence to being converted to Estrogen, as well as DHT (technically, it converts to Dihydroboldenone). Men get good results from a 300-600mg weekly total. In the past, this included utilizing an every other day (EOD) injection schedule, because Eq was only available in very low concentrations (50-100mgs/ml). Recently, companies like British Dragon have begun offering Boldenone in a much higher concentration (200mgs/ml) making injections much easier. Women have made excellent progress with dosages of 50-100mg total weekly doses, and this usually means a 1 injections weekly schedule. Women as a rule, seem to prefer less scar-tissue build up than men are comfortable with. In this dose range, women almost never report virilizing side effects, and usually only experienced an elevated libido. Increased hair growth on face and legs is, of course, possible (though not probable).. Liver toxicity is not an issue with Boldenone, and it can be used for long times on either a bulking or cutting cycle, very safely. It has a reputation for appetite and red blood cell production stimulating effects, and this makes it very nice for a bulking cycle. Obviously with increased red blood cell count an increase in oxygen transport was also realized, as was improved nutrient transport, making less food become more efficient...a very nice effect for a cutting cycle. Athletes generally stacked Boldenone with testosterone and Anadrol for mass cycles. Dianabol, due to it's close resemblance to Eq chemically, is not usually used interchangably with Anadrol in cycles containing EQ (a rare exception). Cutting, or pre-contest cycles including Boldenone often include Trenbolones, Winstrol. With the afforementioned drugs, an anti-estrogen is generally not necessary.

[Alcatraz]

Originally Posted by Zuke

I think we need to know your stats and such, in order to make an accurate response. BTW, if you are thinking Dbol and EQ are similar i think maybe your should do dome more research and you may not be ready for aas yet

Another question bro, what the hell do STATS have to do with whether two chemicals are similiar? People like you give boards like this a bad name man.

[Zuke]

Gear down big rig! You asked which combo is better for mass gains. So i would like to know how many cycles uve done? Age? Weight? I would like to know this so i could give u a good answer as to dosages and such.

U just said "mass gains". Thats pretty basic. I am sorry if i upset you Where did u ask if they were similar?? U asked cycle advice.

[terryd5150]

Dbol and EQ did not mix well for me. Deca and dbol, however, was tha shit!

[k1]

Originally Posted by Alcatraz

Alright Zuke. Read this. I have read this on a couple of boards in the profiles section. I highlighted the important stuff. But I do appreciate the cocky comment. This should shut you up.

Equipoise (Boldenone Undeclynate), or "EQ" is one of the most widely used compounds by athletes today. Even though it is a vetrinary steroid, the quality of production is quite high due to its use in rather expensive animals. It is one of the safest and most effective steroids used today, by athletes, power lifters and bodybuilders. It can effect slow and continuous muscle mass and strength gains over a prolonged period, and generally cycles with this drug tend to be quite long because of this fact. Gains on a cutting cycle including Eq tend to be high quality lean mass, while bulking cycle gains with Eq aren't as "clean" but still have a very nice quality about them. This could be due to Eq's resistence to being converted to Estrogen, as well as DHT (technically, it converts to Dihydroboldenone). Men get good results from a 300-600mg weekly total. In the past, this included utilizing an every other day (EOD) injection schedule, because Eq was only available in very low concentrations (50-100mgs/ml). Recently, companies like British Dragon have begun offering Boldenone in a much higher concentration (200mgs/ml) making injections much easier. Women have made excellent progress with dosages of 50-100mg total weekly doses, and this usually means a 1 injections weekly schedule. Women as a rule, seem to prefer less scar-tissue build up than men are comfortable with. In this dose range, women almost never report virilizing side effects, and usually only experienced an elevated libido. Increased hair growth on face and legs is, of course, possible (though not probable).. Liver toxicity is not an issue with Boldenone, and it can be used for long times on either a bulking or cutting cycle, very safely. It has a reputation for appetite and red blood cell production stimulating effects, and this makes it very nice for a bulking cycle. Obviously with increased red blood cell count an increase in oxygen transport was also realized, as was improved nutrient transport, making less food become more efficient...a very nice effect for a cutting cycle. Athletes generally stacked Boldenone with testosterone and Anadrol for mass cycles. Dianabol, due to it's close resemblance to Eq chemically, is not usually used interchangably with Anadrol in cycles containing EQ (a rare exception). Cutting, or pre-contest cycles including Boldenone often include Trenbolones, Winstrol. With the afforementioned drugs, an anti-estrogen is generally not necessary.

AH, Hitting up a page from SteroidProfiles They are chemically similar but can still be ran together. I prefer Adrol over all other orals anyways though, so I would suggest running Adrol and EQ, excellent combo,IMO. I prefer EQ over Deca, because you can run it much longer periods of time with virtually no side effects............

[Alcatraz]

Originally Posted by Zuke

Gear down big rig! You asked which combo is better for mass gains. So i would like to know how many cycles uve done? Age? Weight? I would like to know this so i could give u a good answer as to dosages and such.

U just said "mass gains". Thats pretty basic. I am sorry if i upset you Where did u ask if they were similar?? U asked cycle advice.

Zuke, no problem. But please read my original post. My whole point of this post was to get some advice as to whether eq and dbol could be run effectively together because I found that they are similiar chemically. Also, read your original post, then reread this one. In your first post you mention my question about them being similiar, in your second you ask me when I asked if they were similiar. You are contradicing yourself.

Apology accepted, and I appreciate your input.

thanks

[Alcatraz]

Originally Posted by kawasaki1

AH, Hitting up a page from SteroidProfiles They are chemically similar but can still be ran together. I prefer Adrol over all other orals anyways though, so I would suggest running Adrol and EQ, excellent combo,IMO. I prefer EQ over Deca, because you can run it much longer periods of time with virtually no side effects............

Thanks bro. Well, if I do decide to run dbol and deca, what can I take to minimize the deca dick? Proviron, maybe HCG?

Now, for this I will post stats:
230 lbs, 12%bf, 30 yrs old, 4+ cycles under my belt.

[Zuke]

Sorry bro. I thought u were making a statement, not asking a question. My bad! Any how, I like 750mg Test, 400mg EQ and 30mg Dbol. Stop dbol after 4 weeks. Then hit the dbol again after 4 off. Read the sticky " Growth Principals for Beginners". I follow that to a T, and am growing like a weed...



GOODLUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alcatraz]

Originally Posted by Zuke

Sorry bro. I thought u were making a statement, not asking a question. My bad! Any how, I like 750mg Test, 400mg EQ and 30mg Dbol. Stop dbol after 4 weeks. Then hit the dbol again after 4 off. Read the sticky " Growth Principals for Beginners". I follow that to a T, and am growing like a weed...



GOODLUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Zuke. I am going to do just that, except I am going to run deca. I gotta try it. I am also on IGF and MGF now. So we shall see......

I still would like to know if I should add HCG during cycle to keep the nads up!

[Enanthanator]

HCG during cycle is always a good choice. 250iu's twice per week works wonders.

[Alcatraz]

Originally Posted by Enanthanator

HCG during cycle is always a good choice. 250iu's twice per week works wonders.

Does IM or sub q really matter?

[Bullman]

Originally Posted by Alcatraz

Thanks Zuke. I am going to do just that, except I am going to run deca. I gotta try it. I am also on IGF and MGF now. So we shall see......

I still would like to know if I should add HCG during cycle to keep the nads up!

It just depends on the person. Not everyone's boys go into hiding. If you use it without really needing it, you take a chance of having too much estrogen in your body. IMO I would keep it on hand just in case and only use if needed.

[Enanthanator]

Originally Posted by Alcatraz

Does IM or sub q really matter?

Doesnt matter. I prefer Sub-q because I'd rather leave my IM shots for AAS shots.

[bio labs]

TEST
DECA
D-BOL

MY FIRST CYCLE AND THE ONE I ALWAYS TELL NEW GUYS TO TRY OUT.

EVERYONE HAS THEIR FAVORITES.

[Skarn]

Originally Posted by bio labs

TEST
DECA
D-BOL

MY FIRST CYCLE AND THE ONE I ALWAYS TELL NEW GUYS TO TRY OUT.

EVERYONE HAS THEIR FAVORITES.

I also love that cycle. I've run it many times now and will start it again this winter.

If you use more test than deca, you shouldn't have to worry about deca-dick.

Skarn

[Alcatraz]

So what would you guys run to combat the estrogen? I have read that adex decereases IGF levels. I don't want that. So maybe nolvadex then?

[Zuke]

Nolva........10mg/day