High BP and best solution

[Hazuya]

1st cycle.

Test E at 500mg per week.

My bp before cycle was 104/68 on average.

Now 2 weeks into cycle is 140/78 but sometimes it says 125/75. My arms have grown a bit and the BP machine at the store is a tight fit.

Needless to say I'm tripping. Is a 3 month cycle gonna cause vany perm. damage. To be honest I'm just gonna do this cycle and not do this again. I'm 43 and I could see my abs before the water gain. Coupling this with the gyno that started and appears to be under control with Letro (after 60mg of Nolva. for a week) I'm just wondering if its worth it. I've invested a bit of money for this cycle so I want to see it thru.

So, should I worry about the BP?

[Golgo13]

Up the Cardio, cut carbs, cut sodium.

This has always kept the bloat off for me. Besides you are running letro, which takes some time (usually 2 weeks) to kick in. That should solve half the problem right there.

[Dad]

Three month cycle is too long for a first (or any) cycle, thought others will vehemently disagree.

Yes, yuo SHOULD be worried about the BP! Everyone exhibits a slightly different side effect profile (though they all appear, it's a question of degree). If yuo're having this response now, it's possible that it will stay the same or more likely gt worse as serum levels of test rise. Assumming, say, an 8 day half-life, it will take yuo about 5-6 weeks to reach a steady state serum concentration of 500 mg.

This means yuo've got another 3-4 weeks where serum drug levels are rising, then they stay at 500 mg (assuming constant dosing) until yuo stop taking the test. Then it takes another 5-6 weeks for serum levels to drop to normal, except by then yuo've got LOTS of estrogens from aromatization (yuo're takiing anti-estrogens, so that may help). Aromatization just about gaurantees lots of water weight which will have another great impact on yuor BP.

This may not be the thing for yuo. Are yuo planning a serious competition career at 43?

[Hazuya]

So if I were to quit this just I drop the Letro and go into the normal pct: Nolva and Clomid?

I guess the clo. isnt needed since its only been 2 weeks right?

[Dad]

Haz,

If yuo quit, stay on the letro for a few weeks along with the nolva. THe clomid isn't necessary as yuo haven't been on long, and won't need to "jump start" yuor hypothalamus. I'm assumig yuo've only taken 2, or maybe 3 of the 500 mg shots of test? Also, HCG is not necessary.

I think yuo're making a wise decision to quit the test. It may be that the dose was too high to start, it may be that test simply isn't the best thing for yuo, and it may, as Golgo points out, have had something to do with yuor diet, or it may be a combination of all these and probably some other things we're missing.

[Hazuya]

So than a 40/30/20/10 per week of Nolva. and keep the Letro at .50 mg ed for 2 weeks. I know the est. rebounds off the Letro so I'll taper the Letro at the 20mg week.

At my age though and after all this is out of my system I will talk to my Doc about HRT. I will say I love the pump and the strength gains.

Anyhow, if the above pct looks good that is what I'll do. My nips are better but they are still a bit sore, more of a sting really but definately better. I was doing Nolva. at 60mg ed for 5 days coupled with Letro at .50 mg ed.

By the way the 2 weeks of Test I was stacking with 40 mg of d bol if that matters as far as the Clomid.

No serious comp. at 43. Just been a natural builder for many years and wanted to take it to the next level just once. If I maintained great and if not no biggie. Just doing it for me and my personal goals.

Thanks again.

[Dad]

Yuo know, for yuor goals, 200 mg a week is plenty. Yuo'll get decent gains, but may still have to use some anti-estrogens since water retention and potential gyno seem to be issues for yuo. But even with a much lower dosages like that, if yuor diet and training are good, yuo'll be surprised at what good results yuo'll have - no kidding!

As to HRT, in the U.S., no doc is going to prescribe more than 100 mg a week, unless (and this is rare) yuor blood test show yuo to still be in the very bottom or below the normal ranges for testosterone. Once yuo get stabilized on the HRT, they'll probably check yuor blood levels every 6-9 months or so, along with LFT's. In between blood work, yuo could bump the doses up to 200 mg a week for 6 weeks or so, then drop back down to the 100. These short, low-dose, mild cycles will give yuo everything I think yuo're looking for without the sides, provided yuo pay close attention to yuor diet and training.

Oh, the d-bol doesn't matter as to the clomid, but really taper slowly off the letro and nolva.