STRENGTH GAINS

[RV63T]

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[terryd5150]

Originally Posted by RV63T

I ASSUME everyone is defferent but if one was on the 5th wk of a T, cyp, 300mg wk, and EQ at 200mg wk shouldnt you be seeing some increase in strength. this is the first cycle thats why the low doses. but eating very clean one cheat day on weekend. work out is to failure. but with bad back no deads and squats are low weight with high reps.

like i said cyp 300mg eq 200 mg
kre-alkalyn 6000 mg day
1/2 bottle lba,s day
4ml sythetine e/d 4ml sytheselen e/d
is possible it may be more like 6 wks for some strength gains?

We would also need to know what your training routine looks like, age, lifting experience, etc.

Just a simple answer though, I ran a dose similar to that for my first cycle and I did not see a dramatic increase in strength- some, yes, but nothing huge.

I don't want to discourage low/sane doses with that comment so I can tell you that the differences that I noticed at that dose were more related to my body compostion and overall "muscularity".

I was very happy with the results I got, I looked A LOT better and strength went up SLIGHTY, but it was not (for me) like I added a considerable amount to my lifts; however, I was also at that time an advanced lifter who had already made considerable gains naturally.

[terryd5150]

Have you noticed any change in your physique/ body composition? Let that be your guide in how successful your doses are.

If you are an advanced lifter who has gained a lot of strength/mass naturally then you probably won't see a huge explosion in either, like a newbie who hasn't lifted much still has most of their potential left to cover, so obviously they would seem to make some dramatic gains.


Does that make sense?


Anyway, when I DID bump up the doses in later cycles I saw the strength gains I think you are looking for.


Be patient. It will come in time.

[RV63T]

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[terryd5150]

Originally Posted by RV63T

well i do looks like im a lttle more muscular. i started at 208 and here 5wks later im at 211. im not eating to bulk eather. but would really like to gain that strength. ive only got like 1 extra rep on some exercises. i also havent got a partner so when i go to failure its all me that maybe another issuie getting a few more reps from a partner. ill give it a couple more wks and try and get a lifting buddy again.

Not eating to bulk? I'm inclined to think maybe that's part of the problem with the strength.

EQ always made me HUNGRY AS HELL, there was no way around me eating like a horse.

That tends to be a "hallmark" side-effect of EQ (the appetite), so it almost makes me think one of the following:

1. The EQ hasn't "kicked-in".
2. The EQ is fake.
3. Your dose is too low for you to notice anything.

Give it a couple more weeks and then check back in with us.

[gettnlarge]

isnt qv on of the most faked ones out there? maybe one of the vets/mods can give a definite answe on that. i know that they are now made by ip. unless you are lucky to find someones old stash which may be underdosed b/c of time past expiration--i dont think that would be the true qv. if you got it from a sponsor then it is prob from ip and would be real then. anyway just some extra thought. sure you probably thought of it already. later
GL

[gettnlarge]

by the way- eq has also hit me at different times. sometimes early sometimes late depending on the brand. i got hungry as hell! but i used no less than 400mg per week, before i knew what to do on this board. sometimes i never felt big strength increases either. i know i got sluggish before i figured out to drink more water to keep the blood flushing right. hope its going good now. later

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[oldfella]

With your training stop going to failure. Go heavy into the 5-6 rep range. Then put the weight up on your next set. keep bumping the poundage until you can only just get five reps. So you will need to work out where that is over three working sets. No need to go to failure all the time. Take 2 minutes between sets.

[OuchThatHurts]

Originally Posted by oldfella

With your training stop going to failure. Go heavy into the 5-6 rep range. Then put the weight up on your next set. keep bumping the poundage until you can only just get five reps. So you will need to work out where that is over three working sets. No need to go to failure all the time. Take 2 minutes between sets.

I SEE LOTS OF THINGS. Like oldfella said, STOP going to failure. Who told you to do that? You don't ever need to go to that point except in extreme circumstances. Only he says 5-6 reps, I go 2-4 reps 8-10 sets. None to failure but all heavy weight (75-80% 1RM). But oldfella is one of those bodybuilder guys (you know the type, pffft)

soooo....

Eat more grub dude!
Train for strength properly.
Gear may be junk.

Oh and your training routine? Completely redo it. I love the 3 day split like you're doing but crunches? Crossovers? Leg extensions? Keep it basic. Forget all that crap and stick to flat bench or incline bench (dumbell or barbell), maybe some dumbell flys. Bent over rows, cleans, maybe some curls if you wanna show off for the ladies but I never work biceps and I got peaks-a-plenty. For legs, squats, leg press (that's one day right there) and heavy deads, rack deads, and roman deads.

I think if you just make some of these changes, you will see a big difference.

[Skarn]

For me bro eating was everything!

I got the best strength gains when I ate huge!

But I also trained to complete failure......100% total max intensity....it worked well. But the biggest difference is that I trained only 1 bodypart per week. So I annihilated chest on Monday for example and didn't hit it again until the following Monday.

But as you see, everyone is different. For some, that doesn't do well at all. For me, EQ never gave me the hunger.

Good luck!
Skarn

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[oldfella]

Originally Posted by OuchThatHurts

I SEE LOTS OF THINGS. Like oldfella said, STOP going to failure. Who told you to do that? You don't ever need to go to that point except in extreme circumstances. Only he says 5-6 reps, I go 2-4 reps 8-10 sets. None to failure but all heavy weight (75-80% 1RM). But oldfella is one of those bodybuilder guys (you know the type, pffft):p

soooo....

Eat more grub dude!
Train for strength properly.
Gear may be junk.

Oh and your training routine? Completely redo it. I love the 3 day split like you're doing but crunches? Crossovers? Leg extensions? Keep it basic. Forget all that crap and stick to flat bench or incline bench (dumbell or barbell), maybe some dumbell flys. Bent over rows, cleans, maybe some curls if you wanna show off for the ladies but I never work biceps and I got peaks-a-plenty. For legs, squats, leg press (that's one day right there) and heavy deads, rack deads, and roman deads.

I think if you just make some of these changes, you will see a big difference.

HEY I resemble that remark ! Ouch is right about the eating. And your training, Put the simple compound movements back in and keep it SIMPLE. Keep your form strict and go heavy, not to all out failure everytime. One set out of the heavy make it heavy enough to just get 5 reps. The 5th rep should be all out. To get stronger and gain size you must eat your way to a bigger physique. AAS will allow you to consume more protein than normal, so do just that. It is the key to repair and recovery which means growth.