First cycle critiques

[wannagofast]

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[wannagofast]

Background info: I did a "cycle" of an SNS product back when that was the next big thing, I think it was called Methyl-drol. I did gain quite a bit, but lost it all due to my lack of experience and knowledge. I am 27 yrs old. I try to hit weights hard 3-4 times a week. I truly hate cardio, but I try for 1-3 times week, for about 20-45 minutes depending on my schedule for the day.

 

[Dad]

Sixteen weeks is way too long.

 

[JustWannaBeHuge]

Sixteen weeks is way too long.

Me personally, I like longer cycles.

 

[marooned]

Sixteen weeks isn't neccessary to make good gains. I am sure you want to gain as fast a possible and keep it when you go off cycle and still be reletivly safe, everyone wants that. So this is my opinion on it.

You should have your diet and training in check before you start. I am not a fan of more than 20 minutes of cardio a day unless your trying to cut. Make sure your protein intake is at 2 grams per pound of bw. Have bloodwork done before you start. If there is anything thats not where it should be don't start until you get it corrected and tested again.

If this is a get big and stop training idea stop now, you will be disappointed. If your idea is to keep training forever and work on your goals safely I think you should go with one thing only for your first cycle, Test. There is no need for a complicated stacked cycle for your first one. Your body will respond to 400-500mg/wk of long ester Test. You will learn how it feels, how your body works with it, and how you recover and keep the gains from it.

Ten weeks is long enough. If you are stretching the cycle for the EQ use then save it for next time. Ten wks, go through PCT, have blood work done, wait a few more weeks and maybe go again if it went smooth.

I think it's good to use Adex while using Test so keep that at .25mg/ed or eod. I don't think there is any benefit to using two SERMs during PCT. I recommend Nolvadex at 25mg/day for 4 wks, starting 2wks after last shot of test. I find it more effective and Clomid has more sides in my experience. HCG works well for me but fuels estro related GYNO big time. Since this is your first cycle you don't know if you are prone to it or not and should have plenty of Nolvadex on hand in case it starts. I think HCG at 500IU every 5 days through the entire cycle works best. If you want to use it at the end of your cycle only, I still wouldn't recommend over 1000IU per shot.

Hope I over complicated this enough Good luck man.

 

[6.8SPC]

keep that at 25mg/ed or eod.

Not trying to flame you here at all, but you meant .25mg right? Good post btw.

 

[wannagofast]

Sixteen weeks isn't neccessary to make good gains. I am sure you want to gain as fast a possible and keep it when you go off cycle and still be reletivly safe, everyone wants that. So this is my opinion on it.

You should have your diet and training in check before you start. I am not a fan of more than 20 minutes of cardio a day unless your trying to cut. Make sure your protein intake is at 2 grams per pound of bw. Have bloodwork done before you start. If there is anything thats not where it should be don't start until you get it corrected and tested again.

If this is a get big and stop training idea stop now, you will be disappointed. If your idea is to keep training forever and work on your goals safely I think you should go with one thing only for your first cycle, Test. There is no need for a complicated stacked cycle for your first one. Your body will respond to 400-500mg/wk of long ester Test. You will learn how it feels, how your body works with it, and how you recover and keep the gains from it.

Ten weeks is long enough. If you are stretching the cycle for the EQ use then save it for next time. Ten wks, go through PCT, have blood work done, wait a few more weeks and maybe go again if it went smooth.

I think it's good to use Adex while using Test so keep that at 25mg/ed or eod. I don't think there is any benefit to using two SERMs during PCT. I recommend Nolvadex at 25mg/day for 4 wks, starting 2wks after last shot of test. I find it more effective and Clomid has more sides in my experience. HCG works well for me but fuels estro related GYNO big time. Since this is your first cycle you don't know if you are prone to it or not and should have plenty of Nolvadex on hand in case it starts. I think HCG at 500IU every 5 days through the entire cycle works best. If you want to use it at the end of your cycle only, I still wouldn't recommend over 1000IU per shot.

Hope I over complicated this enough Good luck man.

I appreciate this man. I will most definitely listen to anyone with experience, I am always an eager student of the sport.

I have been preparing for my first cycle for some time now, a little over 2 years now. I want it to be the most effective it can be. As far as diet and bloodwork, I didn't mean to give an impression of being inexperienced. My diet is usually in check. I'm not going to lie, I have days when it goes to crap. While I was "on" the methylated "cycle",(which is my only experience to draw from) my diet was extremely strict. I know I can stick to a macroed diet. Also, my bloodwork will be in done prior, during and after my cycle/PCT.

I don't know where the idea of Get big and stop training came from(I did not take it as an insult). I have been serious about training for almost 4 yrs now. I know that isn't a long time. I feel I am ready, physically and mentally, for this step. I have no intention of stopping, I love being in the gym.

Thank you to everyone that has responded so far.

 

[JK_5]

Great thread!