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Kcm3000 · Oct 19, 2007

would clomid or nolvadex be needed if i were to take test E 250, and deca 200, for a period of 1xweek for 15-20 weeks. my diet is great and my workouts are good. any suggestions?

Deepsea · Oct 19, 2007

Yes

I think it would be a good idea to take some sort of estrogen inhibitor or blocker with this cycle. You don't want to end up with "bitch tits", not saying that you will off of one cycle but overtime it can definatley happen. If you have access to chlomid or Novladex than go ahead and take it. It has nothing to do with your diet it just has to do with blocking estrogen. 15-20 weeks is a long ass cycle. Are you just planning on doing one and one each week?

Kcm3000 · Oct 19, 2007

well its not a set length for the cycle. thats just the amout of stuff taht is lying around...i was plannign on getting some nolv and clomid.... but iwas just wondering how it could affeect me. and to answer your question no it would be one shot once a week.

Deepsea · Oct 19, 2007

Cycle

I would do something to the sort of one of each one (two a week) for the first 3 weeks and then jump to two of each a week for weeks 4,5,6 (four a week)and then taper back down to one of each a week to finish up. I would definatley take novladex whether you do one a week or two a week. I don't think you will get the gains you are looking for off of only one shot a week. It's just not enough. My experience with novladex is that I also retain less water while on it. That may just be me but I've always noticed somewhat of a difference and maintained more cut throughout my cycles.

Kcm3000 · Oct 19, 2007

thanks

6.8SPC · Oct 21, 2007

Deepsea said:
I would do something to the sort of one of each one (two a week) for the first 3 weeks and then jump to two of each a week for weeks 4,5,6 (four a week)and then taper back down to one of each a week to finish up. I would definatley take novladex whether you do one a week or two a week. I don't think you will get the gains you are looking for off of only one shot a week. It's just not enough. My experience with novladex is that I also retain less water while on it. That may just be me but I've always noticed somewhat of a difference and maintained more cut throughout my cycles.

I disagree with the 'tapering' idea. It goes against how the esterified drugs are intended to work and there is no tangible benefit to doing it this way. By pyramiding up and tapering back down, your blood levels will be in a constant state of fluctuation. Stable blood levels ensure fewer side effects. The drugs themselves have a built in pyramid and taper by virtue of their respective (long) esters. It will take 4-5 weeks for the test and deca to establish a new blood threshold, then after your last injection, the drugs will self-taper as they are slowly processed by the body and excreted. I think a better approach is to just choose 1 dose to stay with the entire cycle. The dosage itself is a matter of personal choice. I personally think 500 total mg (test and deca, 250 & 250)is more than enough for a relatively new AAS user. Its is very easy to grow off one amp of test a week if you eat and train correctly. Save the higher dosages for when you really need a gram total per week to continue growing. If you choose a low dose, nolvadex will probably not even be needed unless yuo are EXTREMELY sensitive to gyno. Blocking the small amount of extra estrogen will actually hinder your gains. Deca's notorious side effects are related to its progestin-like structure which SERMs or AIs will do nothing against, but again at 250mg/week this should not be a concern.