Lean Enough to Start Test E Cycle?

[RzSup]

6'2 200-205lbs, lifting for a few years. What do you think?

 

[Ness]

How old are you? Would you mind posting your diet w/ macros for us? You need to give us as much info about you so that we can give you the right advice.

 

[MAINEVENT]

Im curious why you think being lean enough has anything to do with which test you use?

Its about about the diet, not what kind of test your using!

 

[RzSup]

I've always thought you'd want to be as lean as possible before you started a bulk on a cycle so when (I guess if) you were going to cut, you would have less bf%. I've been lifting off and on for 4 years and am 24.

That picture is recent and about a week after getting into a more serious low-carb diet. Eggs are egg whites. Chicken is chicken breast meat. Salads come with some light vinegerette dressing. I was out of banannas this day and that's my usual fruit...

My common foods are eggs, chicken, tuna, oats 1 minute, splenda, cheese (as sparingly as possible it's just so good on eggs ), carrots, salad & dressing, carrots, peanut/almond butter, or dry roasted almonds.

Meal Food Cal Protein
Meal 1: Eggs 240 48
cheese 100 6
shake 140 25
Meal 2: Chicken 350 60
carrots 60 0
Meal 3: shake 140 25
bread 100 5
Meal 4: Salad 80 0
chicken 300 50
Meal 5: Peanut/Almond B 100 3
shake 140 25
Meal 6: Eggs 150 30
Cheese 140 12
Chicken 50 9
This netted about 2200 cal and 250 g protein.

 

[oldfella]

I've always thought you'd want to be as lean as possible before you started a bulk on a cycle so when (I guess if) you were going to cut, you would have less bf%. I've been lifting off and on for 4 years and am 24.
That picture is recent and about a week after getting into a more serious low-carb diet. Eggs are egg whites. Chicken is chicken breast meat. Salads come with some light vinegerette dressing. I was out of banannas this day and that's my usual fruit...

My common foods are eggs, chicken, tuna, oats 1 minute, splenda, cheese (as sparingly as possible it's just so good on eggs ), carrots, salad & dressing, carrots, peanut/almond butter, or dry roasted almonds.

Meal Food Cal Protein
Meal 1: Eggs 240 48
cheese 100 6
shake 140 25
Meal 2: Chicken 350 60
carrots 60 0
Meal 3: shake 140 25
bread 100 5
Meal 4: Salad 80 0
chicken 300 50
Meal 5: Peanut/Almond B 100 3
shake 140 25
Meal 6: Eggs 150 30
Cheese 140 12
Chicken 50 9
This netted about 2200 cal and 250 g protein.

To put on serious mass that is no where near enough cals.

So on and off for four years would equate to about one year of training.

You are not ready for any AAS yet. Put in 24 months of kick ass training and solid nutrition, start focusing on the key lifts during this time and stop pumping your arms! Squats, deads and bench!! Then get your nutrition in order. you need to do a lot more research as I see a physique that is no where near ready for any aas. Not having a shot at you but you can make some serious gains before needing to use AAS. You simply are not ready!

 

[pesty4077]

I've always thought you'd want to be as lean as possible before you started a bulk on a cycle so when (I guess if) you were going to cut, you would have less bf%. I've been lifting off and on for 4 years and am 24.

That picture is recent and about a week after getting into a more serious low-carb diet. Eggs are egg whites. Chicken is chicken breast meat. Salads come with some light vinegerette dressing. I was out of banannas this day and that's my usual fruit...

My common foods are eggs, chicken, tuna, oats 1 minute, splenda, cheese (as sparingly as possible it's just so good on eggs ), carrots, salad & dressing, carrots, peanut/almond butter, or dry roasted almonds.

Meal Food Cal Protein
Meal 1: Eggs 240 48
cheese 100 6
shake 140 25
Meal 2: Chicken 350 60
carrots 60 0
Meal 3: shake 140 25
bread 100 5
Meal 4: Salad 80 0
chicken 300 50
Meal 5: Peanut/Almond B 100 3
shake 140 25
Meal 6: Eggs 150 30
Cheese 140 12
Chicken 50 9
This netted about 2200 cal and 250 g protein.

I started at your height and weight. You are not eating enough protein and calories. I eat 3200-3500 calories and 325-350g of protein per day. I now weigh 214 and still lean. You need some carbs to grow, also.

 

[RzSup]

That's what I'd been thinking. Those cals are in a cutting down diet. Bulking, I need 3500-4000 cals to grow!

 

[Ness]

Now when you plateau in your gains, come back here and post a progress pic and we will add to your routine to keep you growing.

Now, post your workout and we will work on that. Listen to these guys here, they will make sure you keep growing.

 

[RzSup]

Now when you plateau in your gains, come back here and post a progress pic and we will add to your routine to keep you growing.

Now, post your workout and we will work on that. Listen to these guys here, they will make sure you keep growing.

Awesome. My off and on training is usually lifting heavy with open-minded clean eating and they leaning out for the summer months with a good amount of cardio and strict diet. But I usually lose 10-20% of strength gains during this time. My routine has been Max-OT with a couple of added isolation exercises for lacking body parts. I grow better on less volume and was thinking about a 3 day split..? Thoughts on this? Thanks for the help guys!

 

[tkav1980]

Awesome. My off and on training is usually lifting heavy with open-minded clean eating and they leaning out for the summer months with a good amount of cardio and strict diet. But I usually lose 10-20% of strength gains during this time. My routine has been Max-OT with a couple of added isolation exercises for lacking body parts. I grow better on less volume and was thinking about a 3 day split..? Thoughts on this? Thanks for the help guys!

go red a thread titled a story for ya, lats posted it. if you read it carefully it will tell you everything you need to know about training.

 

[IRON37]

I always seem to get more lean on test actually, so Id say youre fine as far as that goes. Keep the diet and check and maybe have some arimidex on hand if you are worried about water retention.