HELP WITH DBOL, TEST E, AND SUSTANON 250

[Dr.xopholis]

Could use some advice. I am 43- 5' 10" - 198 lbs. I've done one cycle before of just dbol.
I started this cycle like this.
1st week 10 mg dbol
2nd week 20 mg dbol
3rd week 30 mg dbol
4th week 40 mg dbol

week 3 thru 15 500 mg of test e. 250 mon and 250 thur.
At week 3 I began to become very sleepy. By the end of week 4 it was all I could do to keep my eyes open. I am now at the end of week 5 going into 6 and I am starting to come out of the fog.
Strength is starting to increase greatly. recovery is awsome. Can't eat enough it seems like. My diet is clean. Except some ice cream once every two weeks.
My pumps are fantastic. Love the feeling.
I have some sustanon I was thinking of incorporating toward the end of my cycle. I also have clomid and nolva for my PCT.
I am curious to know about the sleepiness at the beginning. Is that common? It was really hard on me and the wife. I told her that I would be a horn dog after the test kicked in but to honest fellas I aint feeling it.
I posted this on another board but I was hoping for more information.
Thanks for any info you can give me.

 

[Dr.xopholis]

I am 43. born 1966. Whats that got to do with it? Not trying to be smart but I don't get it.
I did a cycle in my 20's with just dbol and had great results. thought I would try injectibles for the first time. Tried to research as best i could. Guess I did'nt do enough.
Thank you for all your info and advice. I really appreciate it.

 

[doitright]

Could use some advice. I am 43- 5' 10" - 198 lbs. I've done one cycle before of just dbol.
I started this cycle like this.
1st week 10 mg dbol
2nd week 20 mg dbol
3rd week 30 mg dbol
4th week 40 mg dbol

week 3 thru 15 500 mg of test e. 250 mon and 250 thur.
At week 3 I began to become very sleepy. By the end of week 4 it was all I could do to keep my eyes open. I am now at the end of week 5 going into 6 and I am starting to come out of the fog.
Strength is starting to increase greatly. recovery is awsome. Can't eat enough it seems like. My diet is clean. Except some ice cream once every two weeks.
My pumps are fantastic. Love the feeling.
I have some sustanon I was thinking of incorporating toward the end of my cycle. I also have clomid and nolva for my PCT.
I am curious to know about the sleepiness at the beginning. Is that common? It was really hard on me and the wife. I told her that I would be a horn dog after the test kicked in but to honest fellas I aint feeling it.
I posted this on another board but I was hoping for more information.
Thanks for any info you can give me.

something to think about. test e is slowly released and takes a few weeks to build up in your system. so...you are stopping the dbol at week 4 and starting test e at week 3. Most use dbol as a jumpstart to a cycle because its effect starts quickly while giving the injects time to build up. sorry, cant say much about your other issues.

 

[Dr.xopholis]

Yeah I thought that by starting the test at the beginning of week 3 that would be 4 injections and that It would be working. I see now that I was wrong about that. I also see that I should have started the dbol at 20 or 30 mg and stuck to that for the whole 4 weeks. Most of the replies I have received have said 30 or 40. But I get good results from 20 and 30.
I'm trying to add as much mass as I can during the winter, Not fat or water, but as much muscle as possible. Come spring time I thought I would start shredding it.
I guess everyone reacts differently to things and maybe that is how I reacted to the beginning of taking test.
I have read that anavar is well liked by people my age. Does anyone have an opinion on that? It seems very expensive.

 

[njpooldude]

i think there i s abunch of threads here on anavar... unlike most boards if u look towards the top of your page in small writing you'll see the search button.... type whatever ya want and ull find some good stuff

anavar is $$$ Ive been taking 60mgs a day for 2 weeks now and i really dont know if i even like it... but im giviing it more time

what week are u on with your test e?? u should DEFF feel your weenie twitchin by week 5 hahahah

 

[marooned]

A couple things strike me here that aren't addressed. First you are 43 and that does have something to do with hormone levels and supplementing them. Before you started you should have had a full blood panel to see where your natural levels are at and make sure everything else is in check.

If your first cycle was Dbol twenty years ago then this is like your first cycle again. For a first cycle it is always best to use one long ester Test for stable levels throughout the cycle. With only one thing going in if sides show up you only have one thing to adjust.

To use Dbol to kickstart your cycle it works best to start the Dbol and Test on the same week. You will feel the Dbol working starting that day and the Test will come on over the next few weeks so when you stop the Dbol after week 4 you won't even miss it.

I have felt the tired feeling your talking about at the start of a cycle before too. Could be from shutting your natural Test production down with the Dbol a few weeks before starting to supplement the Test and get the level stable again. Could also be from liver stress, not getting enough good rest, not eating enough, poor blood circulation, etc. These questions are why precycle blood work is important. If you are all checked out the is no need to worry about cholesteral levels and enzyme levels becuase you already know if they are good or bad from the start. Probably you will come out of the fog fine once the Test is stable and the Dbol is gone. I find that even long ester Test feels the most stable to me if I pin it MWF or EOD.

Save the Sustanon for some other time. You are on what is basically your first cycle so don't add in stuff to complicate it. If you have enough long ester Test to run the whole time stick with that.

The Nolva and Clomid for PCT will work but it would be good to get some HCG also. There are many threads about PCT here and in teh articles forum, read them. For you it's even more important than most because of your age. That doesn't mena your an old man it's just true fact thats need to be considered. After your cycle you won't recover as fast as a 20yr old and may not ever recover and end up considering HRT. This is why the precycle blood work again is important. If you have it checked after an it isn't as high as it should be you won't know if the cycle hurt you or if it was that way before hand.

Best of luck, I am sure you will make gains with this if you are eating enough and training.

 

[B1gJ1m]

I'm 40 years old and got great results from 50mg ed of var. You have to realize that var is very mild and will not give you serious mass but the gains are still quality and var is typically well tolerated at low to moderate doseages. Good luck to ya.

 

[joe4fsu]

:-( I thought I answered this on A-board...

 

[Quad-smack]

:-( I thought I answered this on A-board...

We are here. Where are you?

 

[joe4fsu]

We are here. Where are you?

We are here as in other members from Alinboard? Where am I?

Im lonely because alinboard is down... this board as too much going on.. lol

 

[drob29]

:-( I thought I answered this on A-board...

hey Joe, you should chime in to the intro thread and introduce yourself.

and welcome to PM...good to see you made it over here


EDIT: I just looked and there is no intro area here, so just do it in this thread, or do another thread in this section

 

[joe4fsu]

THanks drob... just new environment, new board... browsing more than passing along advise right now...

Its a bigger board here... alot more into bodybuilding than AAS.. I think I will like it over time... hehe

Yeah I could not find an intro thread... oh well... probably in the beginners section huh

 

[drob29]

yeah...this is the real deal....it's a tougher crowd here, actual pro's..the quality of the posts here is way above a board too.....It's intimidating at times really. A big fish over at alinboard is, most likely, a "smaller fish" here.

It's all good Joe, all part of continued learning, if you know what I mean

 

[joe4fsu]

Hence... my silence for now...

but it is nice to see a familiar face...

 

[Dr.xopholis]

Thanks Big Jim, Marooned, Pool dude. That was the info I was looking for. Especially Marooned. I realize now I should have started the test and dbol at the same time. I am out of the woods now. I am no longer worn out all the time. My diet is clean except for ice cream every two weeks. The libido is starting to raer its little head. However it seems to be mostly in the morning. Not that important but just what it is.
Alot of the answers I received said I should get blood work done. I work in the health care industry and everyone I know here knows everyone every where else. I know that there are laws about sharing medical info but I am here to tell you that it happens.
Anyways I am feeling great right now. I am starting week six on monday. I think the sleepy problem was from a combination of factors. !- starting the test and dbol at the wrong times. 2- Hormone levels getting stabilized. 3- First time doing test.
Hey jim, I know I posted this on a-board but the answer from marooned was what i was looking for.
I understand about anavar and it's properties. I am fine with long slow gains. The price is hard to stomach though.
Thanks again to you marooned!!! I really appreciate it.
Thanks to all of you who took the time to answer.

 

[Dr.xopholis]

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