Turanabol Cycle (please critique)

[saint01]

It appears that I have made my decision, I just need some critics of my proposed stack. Please feel free to HELP, not flame.

FACTS FIRST
(1) Haven't used any juice in over 8 years
(2) 29 years old
(3) 5' 11" 225 lbs ~ 15% bf
(4) Diet is super clean (fish and lean meats) with 1 cheat day
(5) Workout 5 days weights / 3-4 days interval cardio (ellypical is prefered due to back probs)
(6) Trained for over 15 years
(7) Oral is how I am going to have to go, due to business travel (90% of time)
(8) Looking to lean out and gain a small amount of muscle (5-10 lbs)

PROPOSED CYCLE
(1) week 1 30mg ED Tbol daily + Liv52
(2) week 2 40mg ED Tbol daily + Liv52
(3) week 3 50mg ED Tbol daily + Liv52
(4) weeks 4-8 60mb ED Tbol daily + Liv52
(5) weeks 9-12 20mg ED Nolva +Liv52

Thoughts? Too long. Should I limit it to 8 weeks instead? Do I need to add clomid? I was thinking of running some Clen afterwards, but not sure it is a good idea.

Any constructive thoughts would be awesome!

 

[Ness]

1. Your cycle is 8 weeks...the nolva is your pct.
2. Tbol is super weak. Start your dose at 60-80 mgs/ed from week 1.
3. You only need 2 weeks of nolva for your pct. 4 weeks is overkill. In fact, imo, any pct for tbol is really not needed. I dont think tbol does much to even suppress the HPTA let alone shut it down. Just my o.
4. You'll be lucky to put on 5lbs of lean mass with Tbol unless your genetics are fantastic.
5. No clomid or clen needed. At 15% Id diet down to 10% before your cycle, not after.
6. Good luck

 

[Jarconis]

dont expect much out of this, you'll probably gain 5lbs and lean out a bit.

 

[saint01]

1. Your cycle is 8 weeks...the nolva is your pct.
2. Tbol is super weak. Start your dose at 60-80 mgs/ed from week 1.
3. You only need 2 weeks of nolva for your pct. 4 weeks is overkill. In fact, imo, any pct for tbol is really not needed. I dont think tbol does much to even suppress the HPTA let alone shut it down. Just my o.
4. You'll be lucky to put on 5lbs of lean mass with Tbol unless your genetics are fantastic.
5. No clomid or clen needed. At 15% Id diet down to 10% before your cycle, not after.
6. Good luck

Thanks for the response.
1. yeah, i know nolva is the pct, but i consider it part of the overall cycle (s-f)
2. heard conflicting statements about dosage, since I haven't been on anything in years...is 60 too much to start.
3. I'll def pct it...don't want to risk

***??? - is there another oral that you coul recommend? I looked into anavar, but I really don't want to spend the money

 

[Ness]

is there another oral that you coul recommend? I looked into anavar, but I really don't want to spend the money

Well, honestly you should just use pro hormones. They are legal, cheap, and will do a great deal more than tbol.

 

[saint01]

Well, honestly you should just use pro hormones. They are legal, cheap, and will do a great deal more than tbol.

Frankly, the problem I have with those is that the legal ones seem, by all of my research, to be worse on my liver than tbol, var, or even winny...what are your thoughts on winny. too rough as an oral? it was on my list, but I just can't decide. I have all three cycles laid out, I just seemed to decide that tbol might be the best. I really am up for thoughts (not looking for anyone to lay out my cycle, just thoughts on the options...I think that follows board rules).

thanks again

 

[marshallmadman]

60mg/day of Tbol is pretty excellent. I wouldn't be surprised if your results may be a bit better than what everyone else is predicting.

 

[Ness]

Frankly, the problem I have with those is that the legal ones seem, by all of my research, to be worse on my liver than tbol, var, or even winny...what are your thoughts on winny. too rough as an oral? it was on my list, but I just can't decide. I have all three cycles laid out, I just seemed to decide that tbol might be the best. I really am up for thoughts (not looking for anyone to lay out my cycle, just thoughts on the options...I think that follows board rules).

thanks again

Okay, well winny, tbol, PH...all orals are hepatoxic. If your worried about it, then get your bloodwork done before you take anything...I think youll be fine, keep eating clean, keep your dosages within reason for short durations...

 

[saint01]

cool...thanks for the input. bloodwork was done and the liver and kidney's looked solid, so we should be good to go.

thanks again.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I think you should just lurk around the board and do some searches and check out some threads before you do anything. You don't know anything about what you're taking, what dose will be best, how it affects you specifically. Liver and kidneys look solid? What values did you look at to determine that?

In all this I couldn't help see you post about var being expensive. Man if your stats are true, then money should not be a problem for you. What I mean is, you should have done enough research and saved your pennies and nickles for what amounts to what will likely be a very disappointing experience.

Anyone training for over 15 years would have done more than the fuck all planning you put into this.

Just my opinion.

 

[Quad-smack]

IMO 'var will give you the results (5-10 lbs + recomposition) you are looking for better than t-bol.
Forget the Liv52 - go with Synthergine from Synthetek. Best liver protectant out there.