What the hell...

[JM1219]

Okay, so I was all exited. Bought my first cycle, getting ready to run it in two or three weeks and I find this...

Why steriods gains diminish after 8 weeks.

What should I expect?
I'm running:
12 weeks of
Test C @ 400mg/wk
HCG @ 500iu/wk
Letro @ .25mg/day (maybe less)

Stats:
23
210lbs
14%bf
Five years lifting, one competition under my belt.

[gridlock]

Originally Posted by JM1219

Okay, so I was all exited. Bought my first cycle, getting ready to run it in two or three weeks and I find this...

Why steriods gains diminish after 8 weeks.

What should I expect?
I'm running:
12 weeks of
Test C @ 400mg/wk
HCG @ 500iu/wk
Letro @ .25mg/day (maybe less)

Stats:
23
210lbs
14%bf
Five years lifting, one competition under my belt.

most common thing to stop the effects diminishing is the constant rise in the amount of test you take.
when you feel you reach a plateau, up the dosage a bit. phil hernon does a plan based on this a little but you'd need to ask him directly what it is.

400mg is a decent amount especially at your age. I shouldn't be too worried as for some people they find the effects get less and for others it seems to be ok. Remember, a lot of pro's or guys near pro level run test for half a year or more constantly just to create the anabolic environment they need to support constant muscle growth, albeit at a much higher dosage. but taking just the length of time into account, the dosage should be irrelevant if the 12 week theory was to be correct 100% of the time.

[Quad-smack]

Originally Posted by JM1219

Okay, so I was all exited. Bought my first cycle, getting ready to run it in two or three weeks and I find this...

Why steriods gains diminish after 8 weeks.

What should I expect?
I'm running:
12 weeks of
Test C @ 400mg/wk
HCG @ 500iu/wk
Letro @ .25mg/day (maybe less)

Stats:
23
210lbs
14%bf
Five years lifting, one competition under my belt.

Disregard that post. He has some very unusual methods that are better off left alone. My opinion.
If it were me, I would do 250 iu of HCG e3d and .25mg of letro eod if necessary. 400 is a good amount. Eat 1.5 to 2g of protein per lb of body weight.
Enjoy!

[Ness]

Your body doesn't know a week from 10 days.

Go until you plateau. Then decide what you think is best for you at that point.

Just remember this: there is rarely such a thing as "one" cycle. So, think long and hard about your road ahead.

Good luck!

[JM1219]

Originally Posted by Quad-smack

Disregard that post. He has some very unusual methods that are better off left alone. My opinion.
If it were me, I would do 250 iu of HCG e3d and .25mg of letro eod if necessary. 400 is a good amount. Eat 1.5 to 2g of protein per lb of body weight.
Enjoy!

Thanks for the help. After doing some more reading on HCG e3d does seem like it is the way to go. I'm not sure about the letro. Just going to feel that one out. A friend of mine used it for PCT and he had some adverse effects. Nothing life altering, but potentially dangerous.

My diet is more of a recomp style. I just got back from Army basic six weeks ago. Lost some fat, lost even more strength and muscle. Its coming back quickly though. This is what I have up for fitday.com

302g pro
180g carb
~50 or 60g fat (that number may be off, the chicken breast on fitday.com is recorded having more fat than the chicken I use)

[JM1219]

Originally Posted by Ness

Your body doesn't know a week from 10 days.

Go until you plateau. Then decide what you think is best for you at that point.

Just remember this: there is rarely such a thing as "one" cycle. So, think long and hard about your road ahead.

Good luck!

I don't plan on this being a 'one cycle deal'. This definitely isn't a sport I'm just considering doing. I've done one competion and based off how much I enjoyed that whole experience I know I'm going to do many more.