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This feeling just keeps getting worse :(

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I really don’t know where to start, or how I got myself to post this. Because I talked to some of my friends and I ended up sounding like I’m bothered by having the best marriage they’ve ever heard of, and I’m stupid to think the way I think. Let me give a little background. My wife and I have been dating for 3 years before we decided to get married. We have been married for a bit over 3 years now, and through all of our years together, we’ve only had 3 big arguments that ended less than an hour later.

We both make enough money to live comfortably, and really, when it comes to all that, life is just good. But the problem I’ve been facing for the past year, or a little more, is that I never can say “no” to anything she wants to do or wants to buy from the fear of starting an argument.

You see, for the past 6 years, I’ve always been the one who tries to avoid arguing, and creating a problem from nothing. Because to be frank, I’m very afraid of getting into an argument with someone I love so much.

Whenever she wants to buy something overpriced that she doesn’t even need, I try to explain that we don’t have enough money, then it’s the “please don’t talk to me” face because she got upset. Every time we go out, she has to buy a “gift” for one of her friends because it’s her birthday (and somehow every day it’s someone’s birthday). I spend all my time working my ass off and taking care of my responsibilities, and when I have those couple of minutes where I want to just lay down on the couch and do nothing but relax, there’s always something we have to go pick up ‘for her friend’ because her friends are obviously too busy trying to fluff their couch with their asses.
I make about 5 times what she makes, so I had a prior agreement with her that I’ll provide everything we need, and I’ll save this much from my monthly paycheck for the future, and I’ll pay for the car and leisure, and whatever’s left we can buy what we want with. And her paycheck is for her. She can buy whatever she likes with it. she makes a little more than $10K per year. Even though she has $800 per month to buy whatever she wants, she manages to blow it off on really dumb things (I don’t mind, it’s her choice. Dumb for me is probably really nice for her), and by the middle of the month, she’s broke. This doesn’t bother me much. I tried to teach her about saving her money, but it’s up to her in the end if she wants to spend it or not. What bothered me the most was she took about $1500 from our savings account without me knowing, to buy me a birthday present. I could not say anything because I gave her the benefit of the doubt. To me, it’s very sweet of her that she spent that much on a gift for me. But, I don’t want to imagine what would happen if I argued with her about taking money from savings to buy me a gift that I don’t even want.
Sometimes, she says things that would really hurt me if I interpret it the wrong, but I don’t. yet, she does the exact opposite. Whenever I say something, she interprets it in the wrong way. She called me at work one day and I was in a meeting and said “sorry hun, can I call you back?”… I called her back 5 minutes later and she asked if something was wrong, and I said “nah, I was just busy with something” and she went quiet, then said she’ll call me later. When I got home, she was crying. I didn’t know what the fuck was going on. Then she said “why would you say something like that to me? Don’t you want me involved in your life?” after a long talk, she calmed down and told me that what she understood from “I was just busy with something” that it actually meant “it’s none of your business what I do when I’m not with you, and I don’t want you to butt in my business”. How would someone interpret something like that? And it’s not one time it happened, it happens every time something I say could be interpreted by some magical way as an insult. I was at my brother’s place once with my wife, and we were watching tv. My wife and I had to go get groceries. And as we were leaving, this hot chick was on TV. I pointed at her and winked to my brother and said “you should get one of those” and we both laughed as if it were a joke. My wife suddenly went quiet again. As we were driving, she started crying. She said “how could you do that? Don’t you feel like a disgusting person when you do something like that?” I did not know what the hell she was talking about! Then she says “So, you don’t find what you did was wrong?” I just asked her what did I do? Point at a woman and wink to my brother? After we talked, it turns out that she thought I wanted someone who looked like that girl on TV (even though I always brag to everyone about how my wife is the most beautiful woman on earth, because she is!).

Every time she interprets something the wrong way like this I ask myself why doesn’t she give me the benefit of the doubt and say to her self “nah, I’m sure he meant something else”. That’s what I do! Because I know she loves me more than anything, and she’d never say or do anything to hurt me. She has said things that really came as a shock for me, but I tried my best to interpret it in another way. I don’t feel right saying this, but I just want you to understand what I’m talking about. Sometimes when we’re about to have sex, if she see that I’m not totally hard she’d smirk and say “that’s it? that’s how hard you’re gonna get?” at first I didn’t know what to think. The second time she said it, I told her that I don’t feel comfortable when she says that. But she kept on saying it if it happened again and 2 seconds after she says it she would say “oh, sorry! I’m really sorry!! I forgot!!”

I was raised in a family where if we weren’t arguing, something was wrong. And I hated arguing the whole time. Sometimes I’d just be sorry for things I didn’t even do just to stop the argument. My wife came from an abusive family (physically), and she was living in a very bad environment and was depressed all the time. I just want her to be happy. I don’t want to bring any sadness in her life, ever. I can’t say no to whatever she wants, and I can’t start an argument or continue with one for the sake of “I’m right and you’re wrong and I won’t change my decision to prove my point”. I really don’t know what to do and I don’t want this feeling to build up inside of me. The feeling of “why does she try to start an argument from nothing?” the feeling of “why am I working so hard to keep her happy, relaxed, comfortable, and care free when she wants me to get everything done for her and always tries to interpret things the wrong way, even if they aren’t remotely close!”
I don’t want to make this sound like it’s an everyday thing… but every time something like this happens, the feeling gets deeper. Do you know what I mean? Like if your boss at work told you “good job” 20 times in a row, then says “what the hell is this? It’s junk!” once. then another good job 20 times, then junk 1 time… all what you think of is the “junk” part.


Sorry for the long post. I just needed to get this off my chest.
 
I just got out of a relationship with a girl that acted like this, everything seemed that it would get turned around and interpretted the wrong weay or it was taken the wrong way and I dunno why she did this but it was draning the life out of me because i didn't know what to say and was afraid to say anything. Its no fun feeling like this and thinking " well if I say this is she gonna take it the wrong way?" I can't tell you what to do or how to handle this but I know I tried telling her that I'm not trying to hurt her in any way or anything like that, it just got to where I couldn't take it anymore and there was more to it than just that, we have broken up 3 times now and this time I'm doing my best not to talk to her when she tried contacting me, so far so good. Its hard for me to say get out of it when obviously you love her and to think that being without her after all these years would be horrible for you to even think about. If everything else is good then maybe this can be tolerated but if theres others things that present a problem then maybe you need to really think about the situation you are in.
 
I just read your post and all I can say, from personal experience is that you are headed down a slippery slope that will eventually leave you unhappy if you allow the situation to continue the way that it is. I am no expert, but it is obvious that your wife has serious insecurities that manifest themselves in several ways (spending money, emotional outbursts, clingy behavior, etc) and you appear to be co-dependent. I know, because I have been in such a relationship for close to 17 years and am battling like crazy to get myself right in the head so at least I can be healthy, if not both of us.

IMO, without a long spiel you two have the choice of both admitting that you have problems and need professional help to get the both of you mentally healthy and to have a healthy relationship or get away from each other before you end up making each other worse.

You also state your friends think you have the perfect marriage. I heard that, too, but all people see is what is on the outside, not what goes on inside the marriage. Anyone who is married or has been married will tell you there is much more beneath the surface of a marriage than what everybody else sees. Stop worrying about what they think or say and figure out what is right for the two of you and work toward whatever goal it is you need to achieve to get things right for you.
 
I see two problems here. First as mentioned above your wife is very insecure in certain areas of her life and your marriage. Through no fault of your own you have not done anything to alleviate those insecurities. The second problem is a big problem that you need to solve as do many men. Communication my friend. You need to sit down with your wife and communicate on a different level than you do at present. You are going to need her to hear and understand your real feelings. She is going to need to do the same with you. The sooner you two open up a level of communication that is open, honest, up front without being confrontational the clearer your picture will be. It is simple yet so complicated. Men rearely open up at this level and women see this as not careing. You also need to allay her fears and insecurities and find out what makes her feel this way, again communicate your feelings not just your words. This will take some parctice but will pay off for you both when you hit the mark. There is nothing wrong with not agreeing with everything a person does, it is the way you convey your dissatisfaction about it that makes all the difference. Your wife sounds like a wonderful woman and you sound like a really nice guy, try to open right up to her, make her feel what you do and really try to feel where she is coming from. In other words put on her shoes and try to walk in them, really get to that understanding level. We don't all always enjoy the truth, but in the long run it is far better than building and holding onto a lie. The truth hurts only for a short time, a Lie lasts forever!!!
 
I'm not trying to give advice, because I don't feel that I am qualified in such a delicate matter. So just read this for entertainmen purposes only.

However, I have been in almost identical situations in my last two relationships, including my current relationship with my wife.

My ex-girlfriend was a little younger then me, infact I've only had two girlfriends younger then me, all others have been at least 5 years older. My wife is 13 years older then I am. I just find older women more attractive and since I've always hung around an older crowd, I have more in common with them.

Anyway, my ex-gf used to fight with me, try to piss me off make me jealous, it stemed from insecurity I guess.

I never acknowledged it and kept my cool every time. Until one time I snapped and just went nuts on her.

She later told me that she loved to see that side of me. Then we started fighting all the time, and when we would stop, she told me that she missed it. I learned a lot from her, because we communicated quite openly about everything.

My wife now, spends money like there's no tomorrow, it's almost as if her hand burns when she has any money.

She's worked her whole lilfe, but I've been the only bread winner for the past 7 years, (we have been married 8 and 1/2 years) But I know that no matter how much money I give her, it will be gone, no matter what, she will find something to spend on.

I tried to talk to her about it, but it's like talking to a wall. I told her that she should never be broke, I try to give her money to stash, but as I said no matter what, it's gone, she will buy a new nail clipper for the dog if she has too, whatever, she will think of something or give it away.

About the arguing. This is what I've learned, when I argue with my wife, about anything she brings up how I don't appreciate everything she "does for this house"

(she does do a great job shopping keeping all of my food and supplies well stocked, taking care of our son, cleaning the house, laundry, etc.)

But if I ever apologize, she will be mad all day, and will give me the silent treatment, feel sorry for herself, etc.

Later I discovered that if I fight with her, tell her off pretty bad, she tries to give me the silent treatment, I pretend to be mad too, I leave go in my basment, whatever, but NEVER EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE APOLOGIZE!!

I came to find out that the best thing to do is be an asshole, you just have to do it. When I am, the next day, she has my breakfast, everything is in order, and she has a big smile on her face. Some women just want to fight, that's probably why she's blowing things out of proportion, and she's looking for an excuse to blame you, but the trick is to beat them at their own game.

The problem started from upbringing, if she's from an abusive family, she probably saw that at home and unfortunately some women have their dad's as ideal even if logic tells them not to, it's deeply inbeded in their heads. It's dangerous because if you keep giving in and apologizing taking the blame for everything, You may lose her, she could lose interest and just not care, lose respect and attraction for you.

That's what women like! If you act nice they will (TRUST ME THEY WILL) Walk all over you and treat you like a wimp, and you will get no respect.

A lot of women are actually happier when you are fighting and when you do fight; they would rather be mad then happy, they don't want to make up, if you give in, it's going to make you weaker and softer, and they will continue to trample you.

Don't get me wrong, I love women; but sometimes you have to be an asshole.

To be as blunt as possibe YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO GROW SOME BALLS.

Maybe Big A should write a cycle for being salvaging marriages/relationships on ALIN's site. I don't know maybe some Tren, suspension and Halo, who knows, just an idea.


OR just try talking to her, set aside some time to talk to her, it may work.
I am no psychiatrist, I can't even spell it, so I certainly have no professional credentials or qualifications to give advice and...

Keep in mind that the above is what worked for me, just as we share training and diet tips, I am sharing what actually worked for me in real life.
You should seek marriage advice from a professional.

Good luck.

DB
 
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How are you two now?

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Sadly, it got much worse.

I tried opening up to her. but everytime i tell her about something that bothers me, she immediately gets defensive and starts blaming me for shit she makes up. For instance, If i tell her that we are still young and we need to save up money for the future and not buy things we can hold out on, she'll immediately pop her eyes and say "you have important things you want, like your food, and i have important things i want like gifts for my friends. I don't say anything about your food! you just have a problem with my friends". and when i try to explain that i'm actually saving money by eating like this, she tells me that i should eat less to save more money.

One thing i should mention, my family, friends, and co-workers know that i have a short fuse and a very bad temper. I can only hide that temper away from my wife, and she knows it. she has seen me blow up on some of my friends or family members for close to nothing (nothing physical ever, but, we were brought up in a way where the loudest person wins, or something like that). I told her that lately it hasn't been easy controlling my temper with her and if she continues doing what she does, i don't think I could hold it back anymore.

So, one day she took it too far. We were watching the sopranos and she started saying "Men are just fucking pigs. all of them." and i told her "well, i'm not" and she had the nerve to say "If i ever turned my back on you, you'd probably cheat on me in a second". Now, there are many things i can take and turn the other cheek on, but this just drove me nuts. So i started yelling at her and asking her how she had the nerve to say that after all i'm doing for her. So, she asked me to take her to her family's house and she told me that i'm turning into her father and she never wants to end up with an ass like him.

Just to be clear. her father is an alcoholic/junkie who beat her, her mother, and her syblings for as long as they could remember (mostly on a daily basis). I don't drink, i don't do drugs, and the last time i hit someone was when i was in 5th grade.

Ever since that happened, I cannot feel a thing inside. I get irritated when i'm in the house with her. everytime i drive back home, the corners of my mouth automatically go down. I cannot stand this feeling anymore and i really don't know what to do. We don't have any kids yet, and i really don't plan on having any. and the only thing running through my mind is "get out of it before it's too late"
 
My dad is like that with my mom (never able to say no..tries to avoid arguments..explains the money situation) but one time they got into this HUGE argument where my mom was sayin all kinda crazy shit and i really thought she was gunna leave for good. Of course it was over money and my dad just said finally that you just do what you gotta do but I am getting a separate account and not allowing you to do that anymore because we couldnt afford it and it was not leading us in the right direction...she was pissed off but eventually understood and the problem has lessoned tremendously since then...maybe time to have the "serious talk" bro??? Good Luck in whatever you decide to do man

RONJON
 
Damn man sounds like you got a mess on your hands. You got to ask your self if it is worth living this way for the REST of your life. If it was me and my spouse did not want counseling i would be out of the relationship. I was married and my ex was a little nuts. I could not get the nerve to say i was going to divorce her and actually follow through. We actually tried counseling with our pastor and a professional counseler and things would not get better. I finally had enough and found the courage to leave her for good. It was very hard at the time but I now know it was the BEST decision I ever made in my life. It took me a while to get over her and the thing that helped the most was her moving. She actually called me today and she is doing good. She is remarried with a kid now, but we are just friends. She lives on the other side of the US. I still care about her but in a diff way, i just want to be healthy and happy and she wants the same for me. We are both happier people now. But what is funny is I still see some of our same problems we had coming up in her new marriage. But this is one reason I left, I finally realized you can not change someone and I knew I did not want to live the rest of my life this way.
 
Would it be safe to say that there is a good possibility that she has a personality disorder. Ive suffered from bi-polar and borderline personality disorder for a few years. I know it sounds harsh, and not very appealing to think about but millions of Americans suffer from these disorders and dont even realize there is a problem. Now I dont know if this is the case. But some of the things I have read on this thread seem to have some similarities with stuff Ive delt with in my own personal experience. (being depressed, impulsive, mood swings, adverse spending paterns etc).. some thing to maybe think about and evaluate.

Dev
 
Dang, This sounds exaclty like my brother and his ex-wife, down to the money and trust issues. Notice the "ex" part. The woman was passive-aggressive, manipulative, and self-centered. And he'd always cave, in order to avoid a scene/argument/tears. they had no kids either, so the spit was pretty easy.

For 10 years I kept wondering why he let her walk all over him. But he's just a kind, gentle guy who deserved someone who respected him. He said that she always made him feel like he had done something wrong. aaabbbccc, you don't want to go through life like that.
 
I know its hard some times.
im young i know but I consider my self pretty smart. my gf is 10 yrs older then me and luckly shes on the same page as me.
but for some i know its very bad and from passed relationships some times tuff love is the only love that will help. maybe you sit down with her without being an ass but BEING BLUNT AND TO THE POINT SAY > ///
look i love you alot, SO MUCH, i cant even explane it in words. but this is how it is, you spend too much money and u argue with me when ever i try to tell u how i feel and make me feel bad about it like its my fault "eg. eat less to save money but buy my friends gifts!?!? WTF" maybe you beleave this to cope with your actions i dont know. but this is how its gona be. and i love you but if you dont like it im sorry go work for the money to blow i wan to save for a good life .///
think about it she will have to work to buy those gifts. she knows your hooked, and is useing this and i think if she rilly loved you she wouldent treat you like this. i mean they all have there days but for this to be a daily thing man i just dont know.
even if she says fine fuck you you dont love me bla bla blaa and leaves im sure she will come back or wate till u call her begging for her to come home. but stay strong , STAY STRONG I WISH YOU THE BEST! THIS IS ONLY WHAT I THINK.

"If you love somthing let it go, if it come back to you its yours, if it dosnt it never was." - DMX ya i know i know but i like that saying
 
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sorry

hit somebody.



it will make you feel better.
 
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and oh...

Not to be overly cynical, but keep your money separate form hers and unaccessible to her as much as possible. If things go way sour, she will try to "punish you" by cleaning you out. If she knows any of your credit card numbers, change them NOW and keep them secret. If you have any joint accounts, just keep a resonable minimum in there and have your own (larger) money ready to go.
 
Not to be overly cynical, but keep your money separate form hers and unaccessible to her as much as possible. If things go way sour, she will try to "punish you" by cleaning you out. If she knows any of your credit card numbers, change them NOW and keep them secret. If you have any joint accounts, just keep a resonable minimum in there and have your own (larger) money ready to go.

BIG FING BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i rilly do hope all works out but i woudl do the above!
 
Borderline

Sounds as though she may have what's called a borderline personality disorder. Do a little research on this disorder. The net is loaded with sources.
Hope this helps,
Dr. Glock
 

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