Clitoral Hypertrophy Questions

[SacToSD]

I'm writing this because my girlfriend is thinking about competing and was asking me about getting onto low dose test. The main issue that she has with it is the possibility clitoral hypertrophy (enlargement of the clitoris). How do female bbers deal with this sensitive issue? Not that I have a problem with it, in fact, I like it. It doesn't bother me at all. But, I am a little curious. Some female pros I've seen, well, many that I've seen, have enlarged clitorises (denise masino, melissa detwiller, etc). How real is the possibility of cllitoral hypertrophy, and approximately how long does it take to develop on a low dose of testosterone? I don't know the answers to these questions, and wouldn't feel right about telling her ANYTHING unless I knew as much as possible. What do you think? Thanks, and if you don't feel like posting about it, then you can PM me.
SacToSD

PS- I even went with her to the gynecologist last week and sat in for the exam and had a q/a session with the doc. We avoided the clitoral hypertrophy issue because she's afraid of the legal issues, but I have to say it was a good experience. Thanks again for reading!

[phoenix13]

After personal research, you couldn't pay me to use test at any dose. Sides come too quick and too easy.

Clitoral hypertrophy can occur with just about any AAS. Sides are extremely variable. What some women can tolerate others can go nowhere near in regard to both substance, dose and duration.

What makes sense to me is starting with the lighter AAS available (var, maybe primo) at a low dose and assess tolerance. Increase dose as possible. The clit will not just blossom overnight. If it gets bigger than she wants it, abort cycle or significantly reduce dose.

It's trial and error. Go slow.

[lynx]

Originally Posted by phoenix13

After personal research, you couldn't pay me to use test at any dose. Sides come too quick and too easy.

Clitoral hypertrophy can occur with just about any AAS. Sides are extremely variable. What some women can tolerate others can go nowhere near in regard to both substance, dose and duration.

What makes sense to me is starting with the lighter AAS available (var, maybe primo) at a low dose and assess tolerance. Increase dose as possible. The clit will not just blossom overnight. If it gets bigger than she wants it, abort cycle or significantly reduce dose.

It's trial and error. Go slow.

Good advice.
Personally if she wants to put any substance into HER body SHE should be doing the research. Why women leave it up to their boyfriends/husbands is beyond me.

[sadie]

im on 40mg of test PROP MWF and have not gotten that side effect at all.. not even sensitivity let alone enlargement. i chose prop because if i ever start getting sensitive i can stop taking it before the growth starts. side effects really vary depending on the person. i have been lucky (knock on wood) and never seem to get sides other then water retention and being kinda pissy from the test..

[phoenix13]

Originally Posted by sadie

im on 40mg of test PROP MWF and have not gotten that side effect at all.. not even sensitivity let alone enlargement. i chose prop because if i ever start getting sensitive i can stop taking it before the growth starts. side effects really vary depending on the person. i have been lucky (knock on wood) and never seem to get sides other then water retention and being kinda pissy from the test..

You are lucky!!! It is amazing to me just how much sides vary from person to person and how much some can handle vs. how very little others can.

[sadie]

Originally Posted by phoenix13

You are lucky!!! It is amazing to me just how much sides vary from person to person and how much some can handle vs. how very little others can.

i agree im also on 200mg EW of primo with the prop and nothing thank god. i have a friend that had voice changes off of 5mg ED var whereas i was on 20mg ed for 16 weeks and didnt get anything but wicked insomnia. im very lucky but ill be honest.. this is the highest ill go on test lol im not pushing my luck any harder i like being female lol

[SacToSD]

I just wanted to say thanks for all the comments/advice. I understand what lynx said about being concerned that women come to their bf's/husbands for advice... and I would have to agree. I think she's just trying to be thorough, though. She's doing a lot of research, herself. Thanks again! If you have any more comments, please don't hesitate to reply.

[617ricky]

I would strongly discourage your girl to do anabolics.. Why a girl would want to risk permanent masculinizing effects to be in shape to do a show is really beyond me.. It's not the enlarged clit which is the worst problem IMO - deepening of the voice, and worst of all mascluinization of the face, where the jaw gets wider and the bones thicken, making the face look straight manly.. I swear I see this in like 90% of the women in the high ranks..

And what happens is since the changes do happen very gradually, they're not gonna be noticeable when you're looking in the mirror every single day.. It's the same concept of a growth spurt or a teenage boy's voice changing.. You don't realize every day that you're getting a tiny bit taller and your voice is getting a tiny bit deeper.. But then all of a sudden 6 months later when you measure yourself, or you talk to someone you haven't talked to in a year, you realize you definitely changed, lol.. But in the girl's case, she didn't notice (or want to notice), because she was seeing great results gaining muscle mass, albeit temporarily..

[sadie]

well the voice you can also tell is going to happen. apparently (and no not personally) you start to get a sore scratchy voice almost like a sore throat. this is a big red flag concerning the vocal cords thickening. i talk to my mother maybe once every 2 weeks and i assure you .. if i sounded different she would be very aware of it.. im not saying that all women should use test.. until recently i said i would never even try it.. but not all women are going to get these sides.. my face is exactly the same.. my clit is exactly the same as is my voice.. i have no facial hair and actually i seem to be having a reverse of hair growth lol i now get stubble on my legs literally about every 3 weeks.. perhaps im just lucky as all hell but im not arrogant enough to think im the only woman on earth not getting sides. i worked up to this and if i thought for a second i was gonna get virilization i wouldnt have even tried. if at any point i start getting warnings that a side will begin.. ill drop that test so fast it wont be funny. the point of this whole sport for me is to like what i see in the mirror.. if i turn into a man i wouldnt like the mirror and it would defeat the whole purpose for me

[SacToSD]

Originally Posted by sadie

well the voice you can also tell is going to happen. apparently (and no not personally) you start to get a sore scratchy voice almost like a sore throat. this is a big red flag concerning the vocal cords thickening. i talk to my mother maybe once every 2 weeks and i assure you .. if i sounded different she would be very aware of it.. im not saying that all women should use test.. until recently i said i would never even try it.. but not all women are going to get these sides.. my face is exactly the same.. my clit is exactly the same as is my voice.. i have no facial hair and actually i seem to be having a reverse of hair growth lol i now get stubble on my legs literally about every 3 weeks.. perhaps im just lucky as all hell but im not arrogant enough to think im the only woman on earth not getting sides. i worked up to this and if i thought for a second i was gonna get virilization i wouldnt have even tried. if at any point i start getting warnings that a side will begin.. ill drop that test so fast it wont be funny. the point of this whole sport for me is to like what i see in the mirror.. if i turn into a man i wouldnt like the mirror and it would defeat the whole purpose for me

Thank you, Sadie. I appreciate your time It sounds like everything is working for you, and that you're informed and know what you're doing. I would hope that women who consider using AAS or use AAS know as much as you do. Thanks again,
SacToSD

ps- I voted for you (before I posted this thread) as the featured member this month, but too bad you didn't make it! Maybe next time.

[sadie]

Originally Posted by SacToSD

Thank you, Sadie. I appreciate your time It sounds like everything is working for you, and that you're informed and know what you're doing. I would hope that women who consider using AAS or use AAS know as much as you do. Thanks again,
SacToSD

ps- I voted for you (before I posted this thread) as the featured member this month, but too bad you didn't make it! Maybe next time.

i was up for featured member of the month? LOL i had no idea hehe ty for your vote though ill go find the thread haha

[617ricky]

Originally Posted by sadie

well the voice you can also tell is going to happen. apparently (and no not personally) you start to get a sore scratchy voice almost like a sore throat. this is a big red flag concerning the vocal cords thickening. i talk to my mother maybe once every 2 weeks and i assure you .. if i sounded different she would be very aware of it.. im not saying that all women should use test.. until recently i said i would never even try it.. but not all women are going to get these sides.. my face is exactly the same.. my clit is exactly the same as is my voice.. i have no facial hair and actually i seem to be having a reverse of hair growth lol i now get stubble on my legs literally about every 3 weeks.. perhaps im just lucky as all hell but im not arrogant enough to think im the only woman on earth not getting sides. i worked up to this and if i thought for a second i was gonna get virilization i wouldnt have even tried. if at any point i start getting warnings that a side will begin.. ill drop that test so fast it wont be funny. the point of this whole sport for me is to like what i see in the mirror.. if i turn into a man i wouldnt like the mirror and it would defeat the whole purpose for me

Well that's great that you're doing good with it.. Just like with anything - every human being is different, and some women can get away with using AAS.. But I would just make sure you're really looking for any sides, and not overlooking them because you're seeing the positive results you must be getting..

[sadie]

Originally Posted by 617ricky

Well that's great that you're doing good with it.. Just like with anything - every human being is different, and some women can get away with using AAS.. But I would just make sure you're really looking for any sides, and not overlooking them because you're seeing the positive results you must be getting..

if you knew how anal i was about not getting sides lol my bf is getting sick of me asking if my face looks different or if i sound different.. hes actually LOOKING for the hair growth so he has some reason to give me shit lol seriously sides would completely defeat my purpose and yes i am very lucky in this area and dont take it at all for granted

[dragonfire101]

I know a girl whos blew up temporarily on only 10mg var I couldn't imagine test inj and used Test Gel for 1 day, and blew up overnight from one application,
which is only equivalent to about 20mg of Test after absorbing it.

[sadie]

Originally Posted by dragonfire101

I know a girl whos blew up temporarily on only 10mg var I couldn't imagine test inj and used Test Gel for 1 day, and blew up overnight from one application,
which is only equivalent to about 20mg of Test after absorbing it.

holy shit lol ya you are making me feel REALLY lucky now lol jesus christ.. test gel lol

[dragonfire101]

Originally Posted by sadie

holy shit lol ya you are making me feel REALLY lucky now lol jesus christ.. test gel lol

Peoples tolerances are different, but I wouldn't be using test unless I was women looking for masculine traits. I would just stick with AAS on more mild side.

This person had some sides after about 30 days on the var, but they went away when discontinued. The test though it was an overnight thing. The results went away as well a sit was 1 application. I could imagine what the results of continues use would might be though.

[LATS]

dragonfire is 100% right.. there is no reason to use test.. there other much more mild compounds that are highly anabolic in regards to the androgenic/anabolic ratio.. please consider other more "soft" compounds and see how she reacts.. that is if she really needs them at all..

[JETHRO TULL]

Although I personally wouldn't recommend any of that stuff for girls. I like female lifters and figure gals who definitely indulge. I have many friends and friend's wives who are involved with all the aspects of competition, etc.

At least you are being honest and forthright. So thanks.

[JETHRO TULL]

Originally Posted by SacToSD

I just wanted to say thanks for all the comments/advice. I understand what lynx said about being concerned that women come to their bf's/husbands for advice... and I would have to agree. I think she's just trying to be thorough, though. She's doing a lot of research, herself. Thanks again! If you have any more comments, please don't hesitate to reply.

We've been in and around gyms and muscleheads for a LONG time. Countless times we've seen dumbass boy friends who are all juiced up, suddenly feel like they are steroid experts. They are after all bloated up 2O pounds heavier than they were previously..covered with zits and sweat....lol....shouldn't they be qualified to give their girl friends drug advice?

I can think of one glaring incident where this fucking retard who used a ton of drugs [ who had a so-so physique when he was loaded ] and shrunk to nothing when he went off. He somehow got this cute little honey to go out with him. This girl looked terrific, 18 years old, tiny, etc.....well, in no time at all he had her on a bunch of shit and her voice was destroyed and she was a bloated nightmare just like him. Long after she dumped his ass...she still had all the sides from the drugs HE recommended. Everytime I run into her I am shocked at her voice and she bitterly regrets listening to the idiot.

I have to agree with Lynx...no decision like that should be taken lightly. She can be beautiful and lean without taking male hormones.

I have zero problems with girls that do......but, I am just saying....why? If the girl isn't a competitor at a HIGH level, who needs to risk those sides? That's my opinion.

[Amazon Doll]

My voice cracks after just 15mg of test. I am super intolerant of all aas, so I have to keep my doses very, very low.