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Few TRT QUESTIONS

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Hey I've been going 80mg test cyp every 3-4 days and 3 days after jab I got tested and total test was 560.

Thinking about upping to 100mg per Jab.

My hemoglobin was 16.5 up from about 15 but hematocrit was 48. Both in range but near the upper end.

I haven't been doing any cardio at all so will add that in too.

Are those numbers ok?
 
What is the range? As it varies from lab to lab. Are you looking to be normal? If not then add what ever you want then donate blood as needed.
 
Me personally,I would up it to 100mg twice a week .if you get bloodwork regularly and hema/hemo start to rise you can donate blood .those numbers are fine so I wouldn't worry .
 
Hey I've been going 80mg test cyp every 3-4 days and 3 days after jab I got tested and total test was 560.

how old are you? how long have you been on TRT? what are you experiencing - decrease in strength? do you have a lack of sex drive? erections less strong? lack of energy?


My hemoglobin was 16.5 up from about 15 but hematocrit was 48. Both in range but near the upper end. Are those numbers ok?

these sound like Lab Corp test range numbers. you need to watch raising your dosage. do you know why they check hematocrit? that's the percentage of volume of red blood cells to the total volume of blood and you want that in the 45-46% range. as your hematocrit rises you are making your heart work much harder pumping thick blood - like chili. it can lead to heart attack or stroke. you need to keep an eye on blood pressure and your lipids.

answer these several questions please and the members can better give you their opinions and experiences.
 
I would suggest changing esters...to shorter

and donating tomorrow...

:cool:
 
how old are you? how long have you been on TRT? what are you experiencing - decrease in strength? do you have a lack of sex drive? erections less strong? lack of energy?




these sound like Lab Corp test range numbers. you need to watch raising your dosage. do you know why they check hematocrit? that's the percentage of volume of red blood cells to the total volume of blood and you want that in the 45-46% range. as your hematocrit rises you are making your heart work much harder pumping thick blood - like chili. it can lead to heart attack or stroke. you need to keep an eye on blood pressure and your lipids.

answer these several questions please and the members can better give you their opinions and experiences.
Those are all great points that you made and I do agree with you but in the op's case he is only looking to up his trt dose by 40mg/week .although his hemoglobin and hematocrit are on the higher end of normal they are just fine .i believe with labcorp hemoglobin range above 17.7 is considered high and hematocrit over 51 is high .
 
Hey I've been going 80mg test cyp every 3-4 days and 3 days after jab I got tested and total test was 560.

Thinking about upping to 100mg per Jab.

My hemoglobin was 16.5 up from about 15 but hematocrit was 48. Both in range but near the upper end.

I haven't been doing any cardio at all so will add that in too.

Are those numbers ok?

How do you feel? Regardless of total test being 560, let's say it was 900+ would you still want to up your dose based on how you currently feel?
 
how old are you? how long have you been on TRT? what are you experiencing - decrease in strength? do you have a lack of sex drive? erections less strong? lack of energy?



28. 2 years, none of the above going quite well just wondered if I could up it safely
 
28. 2 years, none of the above going quite well just wondered if I could up it safely

try what mike036 and tenny stated. it's not going to hurt going up to a 100mg or so a week, and try changing esters. here's a link in case you don't have a full understanding of why tenny made his suggestion.
https://www.evolutionary.org/testosterone-esters-facts

as far as lowering your hematocrit try these:
start drinking lots more water, take baby aspirin, eat grapefruit and get into some regular walking/running. donating blood is the primary method to knock hematocrit down. i made the mistake about two months back of stating i was on TRT and immediately they put me on a donation black list. so don't tell your local Red Cross you're on hormone replacement therapy. your doctor could write a script for phlebotomy but that costs and is less convenient than free donation.

happy lifting bro
 
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The only thing I've been doing differently is taking more vitamin k2. Using 11-keto 1x a day for cortisol lowering benefits and 6-oxo for lower estrogen and more free test.

Will drop the last two and if it doesn't come down in 10 weeks il drop the k2 too.

Gonna add in 30min cardio daily. Some nattokinase, naringin and plenty of water.
 
The only thing I've been doing differently is taking more vitamin k2. Using 11-keto 1x a day for cortisol lowering benefits and 6-oxo for lower estrogen and more free test.

Will drop the last two and if it doesn't come down in 10 weeks il drop the k2 too.

Gonna add in 30min cardio daily. Some nattokinase, naringin and plenty of water.

your strength will increase with upping T dose. have you any lab work on E2 estraidiol? we're all different and even with your low T doses you want to insure that aromatase or low estradiol is not the culprit. check your estradiol numbers and if those are in range i would next go on to hcg. HCG (not HGH) should be considered your best bet for increasing sex drive.

you may search through this:
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/hrt-forum/130300-hcg-during-testosterone-therapy.html

here's some copied info:

"When T levels are low in a normal healthy man the Hypothalamus releases a "releasing" hormone (LHRH) that tells the Pituitary to release another hormone known as Luteinizing Hormone (LH). In turn, LH reaches the receptors on the Leydig cells within the testicles telling them to do their thing among which is the production of Pregnenolone from Cholesterol, Sperm and Testosterone among other things needed downstream in all hormonal pathways.

Exogenous Testosterone halts the HPT Axis (HPTA) and as such the testicles are no longer receiving LH. This is know by most of us as simply "shutdown" or "HPTA suppression."

In order for men on a TRT protocol where they are in a state of shutdown/suppression to make up for the lost production of LH they will need add hCG to their protocol which is a bioidentical form of LH (LH Analog.)"

So what happens when a man testicles don't function anymore do to the lack of LH?

1. The Biggie: Testicular Atrophy. Men will see their testes get smaller over time and hurt constantly along the way. The duration for this event seems to be different in men where younger guys can seem to go longer where mid to older guys see the event happens on a more accelerated scale. Some think it happens to do with the amount of receptors on the Leydig cells...but who really knows.
2. Sperm production is pretty much halted.
3. Men's scrotum's will get really tight and pull up against the body causing pain and end up looking like a 5 year old.
4. The testes are the single largest producer of the hormone Pregnenolone; the mother of all hormones

Why we need hCG:
1. To produce Pregnenolone; hCG activates the p450 side chain cleavage (p450scc) enzyme which converts cholesterol to Pregnenolone!!! (Read the link above, please.)
2. To produce the precursors for DHEA, Estrogen, Cortisol, Testosterone and DHT...back filling the pathways (See #1 above)
3. For proper and normal brain function
4. For proper functioning of the testicles
5. If men ever want to restart
6. If men ever want to have children
7. If men don't want balls that end up in a small mass of useless Collagen
8. The list goes on...

In short, hCG keeps the testicles functioning in a normal state and supports all three androgen pathways. It prevents pregnenolone deficiency and supporting all our other CHOL pathways and hormones as well.

As we've all seen first hand in this community; when a man on a TRT protocol is not on hCG they complain of shrinking testicle and the accompanying pain that goes with it.

But when they start on hCG (because of all the things listed above and more) they all state how much better they feel and the pain associated with their testicular atrophy subsiding and that their testicles feel much better as well.

Does a man need hCG on a TRT protocol? Nope. But for all the reasons above a man should be made aware of why hCG and Pregnenolone are important to their health and well being on a life long journey of TRT.
 
Numbers are golden imo. If you feel ok, stay where you're at. A lot of ppl don't take *Full advantage of the dose of test that trt provides. 160 is a good dose (60mg more than you're avg prescription. Most guys are on 100. Some 150 or 200 if they don't respond well, or have an awesome doctor.)
Like everyone else has said, Go Give Blood! It will make you feel much better and you're doing a good thing.

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your strength will increase with upping T dose. have you any lab work on E2 estraidiol? we're all different and even with your low T doses you want to insure that aromatase or low estradiol is not the culprit. check your estradiol numbers and if those are in range i would next go on to hcg. HCG (not HGH) should be considered your best bet for increasing sex drive.

you may search through this:
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/hrt-forum/130300-hcg-during-testosterone-therapy.html

here's some copied info:

"When T levels are low in a normal healthy man the Hypothalamus releases a "releasing" hormone (LHRH) that tells the Pituitary to release another hormone known as Luteinizing Hormone (LH). In turn, LH reaches the receptors on the Leydig cells within the testicles telling them to do their thing among which is the production of Pregnenolone from Cholesterol, Sperm and Testosterone among other things needed downstream in all hormonal pathways.

Exogenous Testosterone halts the HPT Axis (HPTA) and as such the testicles are no longer receiving LH. This is know by most of us as simply "shutdown" or "HPTA suppression."

In order for men on a TRT protocol where they are in a state of shutdown/suppression to make up for the lost production of LH they will need add hCG to their protocol which is a bioidentical form of LH (LH Analog.)"

So what happens when a man testicles don't function anymore do to the lack of LH?

1. The Biggie: Testicular Atrophy. Men will see their testes get smaller over time and hurt constantly along the way. The duration for this event seems to be different in men where younger guys can seem to go longer where mid to older guys see the event happens on a more accelerated scale. Some think it happens to do with the amount of receptors on the Leydig cells...but who really knows.
2. Sperm production is pretty much halted.
3. Men's scrotum's will get really tight and pull up against the body causing pain and end up looking like a 5 year old.
4. The testes are the single largest producer of the hormone Pregnenolone; the mother of all hormones

Why we need hCG:
1. To produce Pregnenolone; hCG activates the p450 side chain cleavage (p450scc) enzyme which converts cholesterol to Pregnenolone!!! (Read the link above, please.)
2. To produce the precursors for DHEA, Estrogen, Cortisol, Testosterone and DHT...back filling the pathways (See #1 above)
3. For proper and normal brain function
4. For proper functioning of the testicles
5. If men ever want to restart
6. If men ever want to have children
7. If men don't want balls that end up in a small mass of useless Collagen
8. The list goes on...

In short, hCG keeps the testicles functioning in a normal state and supports all three androgen pathways. It prevents pregnenolone deficiency and supporting all our other CHOL pathways and hormones as well.

As we've all seen first hand in this community; when a man on a TRT protocol is not on hCG they complain of shrinking testicle and the accompanying pain that goes with it.

But when they start on hCG (because of all the things listed above and more) they all state how much better they feel and the pain associated with their testicular atrophy subsiding and that their testicles feel much better as well.

Does a man need hCG on a TRT protocol? Nope. But for all the reasons above a man should be made aware of why hCG and Pregnenolone are important to their health and well being on a life long journey of TRT.

good post on the hcg, its a lot more to it than just trying to maintain ball size like many think.
 
try what mike036 and tenny stated. it's not going to hurt going up to a 100mg or so a week, and try changing esters. here's a link in case you don't have a full understanding of why tenny made his suggestion.
https://www.evolutionary.org/testosterone-esters-facts

as far as lowering your hematocrit try these:
start drinking lots more water, take baby aspirin, eat grapefruit and get into some regular walking/running. donating blood is the primary method to knock hematocrit down. i made the mistake about two months back of stating i was on TRT and immediately they put me on a donation black list. so don't tell your local Red Cross you're on hormone replacement therapy. your doctor could write a script for phlebotomy but that costs and is less convenient than free donation.

happy lifting bro
In my experience, the only thing that will keep hematocrit in a healthy range is lowering testosterone level. Its unfortunate, and believe me I have tried everything from donating blood (double red) to all of the other things you mentioned. Nothing works. Donating will temporarily drop RBC/hct/etc but it is raised again as per bloodwork with 2-3 days. Your body has a "setpoint" for everything, muscle, fat, and blood volume/HCT/RBC/etc and it achieves this setpoint at a startling rate when supplementing with testosterone in my experience.

You can raise your testosterone level without raising your total testosterone administered though. Like Tenny suggested, shorten the ester, increase frequency to every day, and slightly DROP the total amount (since shorter esters contain more testosterone per mg as longer esters). This will lower your estrogen level and raise your testosterone level.

I prefer upper 40s for HCT as there are athletic advantages in my sport for having higher RBC, but above 50 things get dangerous...so if you creep above that your ONLY option is to drop testosterone dosage. This has been verified through personal experience and talking with multiple very experienced endocrinologists.
 

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