trained AAS n FOOD MUSCLE vs AAS n FOOD muscle only?

[New_Mass]

can dense hard muscle be achieved with aas n food ONLY no training ? is the lean muscle development in studies the same as trained lean muscle? some believe they are the same, not me but i could be wrong what are the thoughts on this?

 

[Myostatin]

Yes, but overall mass gain is obviously far greater when you train. I don't think there's such a thing as "dense" vs non-dense muscle.... its just a matter of how much water and fat are gained or lost in addition to muscle gain / loss. Then there's the neurologic aspects of training which is key for strength gain and is a whole other story...

 

[New_Mass]

density is the physical property of matter it can be described as the muscle fibers of a muscle an if trained its property would be stronger ( more dense) then on the untrained muscle an its density, they both have density but the fiber properties would b different so would it be fair to say a muscle whos fibers are stronger will give off a harder denser look

 

[Dancho]

with weight training you will gain more muscle than without training no doubt. the quality of the muscle should be similar. but because of the weight training you will be bigger thus the muscle will push the muscle outward and will be more developed, you will be leaner thus you will be able to see more definition, and this is the reason you will look better, but muscle gain is muscle gain, the same way as fat gain is fat gain no matter if you eat mcdonalds or "clean food" in big quantities.

 

[thatbloke]

yes it can, studies show lean muscle gain is acquired without weight training by just using AAS

however studies show with weight training, muscle gain is greater while on AAS

 

[New_Mass]

it is agreed now u can get lean tissue both ways but the question above is-is the 2 lean muscles properties the same? I still would say no, u have ppl bigger with more muscle WEAKER when it came to training and u have ppl smaller but STRONGER when it comes to training why is this if the lean muscle is the same ? the quality and makeup has to be different, if u took 2 ppl and put them on a heavy mass cycle then diet them down with all the hardeners n exotic drugs the one who trained will have a harder not to mention healthier look than the other