Why real follistatin costs 4680k, look inside....For civil Debate Only per Big A

[phfsupps]

Big A gave me specific permission to post this.......it better not get deleted for the 4th time here...thanks


Recombinant DNA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it is not made from any equipment and not at a major University..lol like some are saying. it's made in a high tech lab and made by bacteria.

Follistatin Human | ProSpec


No one is taking the real follistatin and we have lab results coming from several diffferent online peptide company's to prove this. which cost us $350 per lab test. at this point we don't know what everyone is realing taking but I can asure it will not be folli. it could be IGF or GHRP-6 or just plain old placebo.
We are not targeting any one company, this is just general, open discussion about a subject that I know about thoroughly. I have been dealing with and researching peptides for years. We know for a fact that there are no USA companies that are wholesaling follistatin.....all these peptides are coming from the china man. It is funny how many companies these days are claiming to have US peptides and are reselling them for next to nothing. Last time I checked, the mark-up in the US is pretty spicy and if really selling US peptides, these guys are making pennies to sell so low. They may have legit US GHRP-6, HGH Frag, Etc but there is NO American IGF-1, IGF-1 DES, Follistatin that anyone can afford to wholesale from..... even the most legit China peptide manufacturing company that I know of stops at about 100 amino chain and surely does not work with recombinant proteins. These come from specialized companies and are only a few out there.
Don't get me wrong.....there is legit IGF-1 on the market (we have tested this in the past) maybe some others, but anything else is a stretch and needs to be tested and validated before I would believe anyone has it. This is why I decided to test some myself....just for fun or just in the name of science
If you don't believe me,then contact the company above and ask them it is possible to bulk produce recombinant follistatin at the price per mg most online peptide companies are selling it at. Oh, and VERY rarely are peptides produced in bulk per kg, typical production is per gram and then aliquoted to the smaller per mg units. Even if someone were to say, produce 1gram....the costs would be slightly less but still great....1 gram produces 1000 units and it is usually the aliquot process is what makes it even more costly.

 

[ericraven2003]

Hmmm.
Makes me wonder what some people are injecting into their body.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Well

What is this to start a FUCKING WAR!!! STUPID POST IF YOU ASK ME! Just to cause drama cause your pep-tide company cant afford it! Makes you look bad for even posting this since everyone knows what shit Pep company u have. Guess you want people to argue and not get along or you liike DRAMA!!!!

We all know Follistatin is made WITH bacteria, I never said it wasnt.........what ever a " high tech lab" is. It is not a placebo, its is not GHRP-6, it is not insulin.........it is follistatin......niothing more to debate really......it is what it is and nothing more, nothing less. I mean, we could go on all day listing things that Innovative PHF, and ericraven ( a total PHF supporter and Natalie wannabe) THINKS it is.........here is a partial list
1. Seaweed
2. Rubber
3. Whey protein
4. Boron
5. Niacin
6. Fruit loops

 

[phfsupps]

What is this to start a FUCKING WAR!!! STUPID POST IF YOU ASK ME! Just to cause drama cause your pep-tide company cant afford it! Makes you look bad for even posting this since everyone knows what shit Pep company u have. Guess you want people to argue and not get along or you liike DRAMA!!!!

Start a war...last time I checked we never targeted your company so why get so heated? Show your paperwork and prove otherwise or stay out of this thread. This is for CIVIL debate, no war. What peptide company Are you referring? We own a supplement company and BTW, china man make this peptide (orncounterfeit) very readily accessible and cheap that is why most companies are pimping for cheap.....again, not targeting one company unless you care to be the target........just getting valid research and discussion out onthe forum for intelligent debate amongst members. We feel the community can handle hearing both sides of this debate and decide for themselves what to do? Can't you?

 

[GWP rep]

This type of thread starts drama and everyone knows you own innovative Pep its not a secret! and nobody said we are selling american made igf des! And yes this is a target at all us peptide guys not just us! We dont come on here and post silly things about ur product boldadrol that everyone says is junk do we no but keep going Everyone knows about ur company and your rep

 

[K1]

Big A gave me specific permission to post this....thanks

It was approved by Big A, so it will not be deleted.....

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Well

Who is Chinaman? I suppose someone could try to fake it.....there are many people in China you realize this right? You are saying 1 man out of 6 Billion is making this by himself in his garage and that is who we deal with? Just because YOU know these peeps and associate with them does not mean everyone else does........My source sells to every other Country and is well known...........do you know how many doctors order from our source? How many longevity clinics? Let meshow you how flawed your thinking is
1/ The real price of a houise is $450,000
2/The real price of a car is $90,000
3/The real price of rice is $5 a pound

Does that make sense to you?

 

[phfsupps]

:yeahthat:

Nice argument, please don't tempt me to bring in the true scientists (besides myself) to rebutle......
Btw, sponsors are not allowed to jump into other sponsor threads....has phf ever come to a post by your company talking smack......that is what I thought!
Please let this post evolve as it may. This is an open public forum and the members should be allowed to not only hear 2 sides of a debate but to act fully participate and/or think for themselves......stop the smoke and mirrors or at least stop trying to hijack threads.....thanks
Btw, the supp biz is way more profitable and secure and we are doing great.....I just always have enjoyed debating science and I keep seeing this particular topic come up so I decided to put in my 2 cents. It seems it is such a touchy matter ....but why, you guys do test your product correct? At leasti would hope before selling to the community as injectibles....oh
I am sorry, research injectibles

 

[GWP rep]

ok I wont hijack your threads every again dont worry! :delete:

 

[phfsupps]

Who is Chinaman? I suppose someone could try to fake it.....there are many people in China you realize this right? You are saying 1 man out of 6 Billion is making this by himself in his garage and that is who we deal with? Just because YOU know these peeps and associate with them does not mean everyone else does........My source sells to every other Country and is well known...........do you know how many doctors order from our source? How many longevity clinics? Let meshow you how flawed your thinking is
1/ The real price of a houise is $450,000
2/The real price of a car is $90,000
3/The real price of rice is $5 a pound

Does that make sense to you?

China man is a general term....and FYI don't tempt me to post a screenshot of team ergo looking for a source for follistatin on a source search site such alibaba, because I have one......and it is not that old
Btw, aren't you supposed to stay off our threads....haven't you been warned. Is big a not high enough to let you know this?

 

[triathloncoach]

Interesting thread. Personally peptides haven't given me much of a bump. I have no experience with folli.
But, aren't there a lot of experienced guys on this board who have personally seen dramatic results from the Folli supplied by board sponsors? I would have a difiicult time accepting that all of their positive experiences are due to the placebo effect.

At this point it would be helpful to hear from unaffiliated board members who have experience with board sponsored folli. All I ever read are positive reviews.

 

[K1]

Attention!

I'm already tired of deleting posts out of this thread!

This thread WILL NOT be deleted...It was APPROVED by Big A, period!

From this point forward, and useless posts will be met with a 3 day temp ban...Think before you post.....

 

[phfsupps]

Interesting thread. Personally peptides haven't given me much of a bump
But, aren't there a lot of experienced guys on this board who have personally seen dramatic results from the Folli supplied by board sponsors? I would have a difiicult time accepting that all of their positive experiences are due to the placebo effect.

At this point it would be helpful to hear from unaffiliated board members who have experience with board sponsored folli. All I ever read are positive reviews.

Yes, that is a very valid point...it would be interesting to hear from unaffiliated members in regard to the subject......and those are far and few between.
No in all seriousness....there could be other compounds/peptides that can attribute some type of effect aside from placebo, it is the due diligence of a company sourcing this stuff to 3rd party test their product and not simply rely on a source supplied hplc and/ or COA......no telling what is a actually in the vial otherwise

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Really

Interesting thread. Personally peptides haven't given me much of a bump. I have no experience with folli.
But, aren't there a lot of experienced guys on this board who have personally seen dramatic results from the Folli supplied by board sponsors? I would have a difiicult time accepting that all of their positive experiences are due to the placebo effect.

At this point it would be helpful to hear from unaffiliated board members who have experience with board sponsored folli. All I ever read are positive reviews.

What else do you need? You have no experience, just positive reviews...........ever think about trying it for yourself? People are unafilliated until they use our products...........then they want to be, thats been the norm.

 

[michelin]

Big A gave me specific permission to post this.......it better not get deleted for the 4th time here...thanks

This is how this board used to be; lots of debate in an adult manner but as much as I admire someone with differing opinions or questions I can see this thread getting nasty (which is a real shame) because you're kicking the hornets nest and some people on here HATE anyone with a different point of view. It brings out their true colours.

If you could post more evidence to back your claims or point those of us with a laymans mind to further research it would be appreciated.

Definitely interested in foli at some stage and I would welcome a healthy adult no name calling debate rather than getting called out or asked for pics and jumped on by the 'disciples' before I part with my hard earned money. Thanks

 

[phfsupps]

What else do you need? You have no experience, just positive reviews...........ever think about trying it for yourself? People are unafilliated until they use our products...........then they want to be, thats been the norm.

I would be interested in trying follistatin, but I would rather pay 4680.00 to know that that is what I am actually taking first.....just a personal opinion...sorry!

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Well

Here is why I am bothered
1. You have not proven anything excepy conspiracy
2. This board has allowed you to try to ruin us without any proof
3. Our products come with HPLC and COAs
4. The results are not back and you have been annointing us as scammers and this is allowed here..............as you have been for weeks.
5. You have and will never have our source in USA......I have it.....ME.....
Everyone has a choice.......trust your company, that is what this debate is about.

 

[phfsupps]

This is how this board used to be; lots of debate in an adult manner but as much as I admire someone with differing opinions or questions I can see this thread getting nasty (which is a real shame) because you're kicking the hornets nest and some people on here HATE anyone with a different point of view. It brings out their true colours.

If you could post more evidence to back your claims or point those of us with a laymans mind to further research it would be appreciated.

Definitely interested in foli at some stage and I would welcome a healthy adult no name calling debate rather than getting called out or asked for pics and jumped on by the 'disciples' before I part with my hard earned money. Thanks

Don't worry more to come....we have had a difficult time even getting out this first information without multiple deletions.....that is why we had to take it to BA to go any further

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Michelin

This is how this board used to be; lots of debate in an adult manner but as much as I admire someone with differing opinions or questions I can see this thread getting nasty (which is a real shame) because you're kicking the hornets nest and some people on here HATE anyone with a different point of view. It brings out their true colours.

If you could post more evidence to back your claims or point those of us with a laymans mind to further research it would be appreciated.

Definitely interested in foli at some stage and I would welcome a healthy adult no name calling debate rather than getting called out or asked for pics and jumped on by the 'disciples' before I part with my hard earned money. Thanks

Yes, have PHF show proof, good point.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

WAIT

Don't worry more to come....we have had a difficult time even getting out this first information without multiple deletions.....that is why we had to take it to BA to go any further

If you are not mentioning companies, you do realize that some companies on here use different sources so I guess thats good.............go for it! I know what OURS is.........I am curious what others is also.