Test displacement..

[LATS]

I do like this guys videos.. But he brings up something many know about but sometimes forget.. Many complain about getting water retention and geno on test cycles that include other androgens .. Many times blaming deca and tren for prolactin issues.. But the good dr reminds up that these compounds are fighting for a piece of that ar receptor. Making more test being diverted to the blood stream causing more estro issues.. Many will add caber when it may be as simple as adding a bit more anti e.. He talks about it in the last 2 minutes.. Just good to have a reminder sometimes.. [ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kLIgIx2E-3I[/ame]

 

[Swifto]

I do like this guys videos.. But he brings up something many know about but sometimes forget.. Many complain about getting water retention and geno on test cycles that include other androgens .. Many times blaming deca and tren for prolactin issues.. But the good dr reminds up that these compounds are fighting for a piece of that ar receptor. Making more test being diverted to the blood stream causing more estro issues.. Many will add caber when it may be as simple as adding a bit more anti e.. He talks about it in the last 2 minutes.. Just good to have a reminder sometimes.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kLIgIx2E-3I

I assume you have used DHT derived steroids with testosterone preparations?

In my experience and many others, it prevents gynecomatia from forming, not makes it worse. My gyno is always better when I add in Var or Masteron to the mix when using other aromatasable androgens.

This theory of his, doesn't hold true on all compounds.

 

[LATS]

No.. I'm referring to his bringing up nandrole compounds and the prevalence of some saying that the Geno and or water retintion is from the prolactin. When it just was well might be from the displacement of some of the test into the blood stream..

 

[Stewie]

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...cle-forum/126528-cycle-critique-please-2.html

 

[LATS]

I assume you have used DHT derived steroids with testosterone preparations?

In my experience and many others, it prevents gynecomatia from forming, not makes it worse. My gyno is always better when I add in Var or Masteron to the mix when using other aromatasable androgens.

This theory of his, doesn't hold true on all compounds.

I do agree with compounds that are dht derivatives ... Love a bit of mast with any cycle..

 

[Massive G]

I do agree with compounds that are dht derivatives ... Love a bit of mast with any cycle..

I have never tried masteron -other than one bottle of the denkall stuff *, I have access to both the long and short esters.
My fear is (head hair loss) and increase in body hair, have you noticed any of those effects?

*EDIT*... sorry I meant Denkall Denkadiol (methandriol dipropionate), which was what I thought was the masteron compound till I looked it up.

My dose would be very small 50 maybe 100 mg a week at most in a sub Q cycle.

 

[LATS]

I have never tried masteron -other than one bottle of the denkall stuff *, I have access to both the long and short esters.
My fear is (head hair loss) and increase in body hair, have you noticed any of those effects?

*EDIT*... sorry I meant Denkall Denkadiol (methandriol dipropionate), which was what I thought was the masteron compound till I looked it up.

My dose would be very small 50 maybe 100 mg a week at most in a sub Q cycle.

Massive I love mast... I'm sure swifto and the others can chime in.. But I love mast but in stalled dosages.. I never had hair loss from it that I'm aware of but will get a bit of a swollen prostate.. But I can't really assume it's the mast or it could be estro issues from test ECT ECT.. But I do keep my mast low along with my test low.. But adding mast into any cycle makes it much more effective .. Whether it's the lowering of shbg ect . . But I can tell I love npp.. But can not run it with out mast or proviron if I want to ever have sex lol.. It makes nandrolone much more tolerable..

 

[Zarati]

I have never tried masteron -other than one bottle of the denkall stuff *, I have access to both the long and short esters.
My fear is (head hair loss) and increase in body hair, have you noticed any of those effects?

*EDIT*... sorry I meant Denkall Denkadiol (methandriol dipropionate), which was what I thought was the masteron compound till I looked it up.

My dose would be very small 50 maybe 100 mg a week at most in a sub Q cycle.

You will go bald if you are prone to male pattern baldness. You will notice an increase in body hair because DHTs lower SHBG and lower SHBG increases free testosterone.

 

[Zarati]

Massive I love mast... I'm sure swifto and the others can chime in.. But I love mast but in stalled dosages.. I never had hair loss from it that I'm aware of but will get a bit of a swollen prostate.. But I can't really assume it's the mast or it could be estro issues from test ECT ECT.. But I do keep my mast low along with my test low.. But adding mast into any cycle makes it much more effective .. Whether it's the lowering of shbg ect . . But I can tell I love npp.. But can not run it with out mast or proviron if I want to ever have sex lol.. It makes nandrolone much more tolerable..

High E2, High DHT, both are reasons that cause growth in prostate. Take 5mg of cialis daily.

 

[Massive G]

Massive I love mast... I'm sure swifto and the others can chime in.. But I love mast but in stalled dosages.. I never had hair loss from it that I'm aware of but will get a bit of a swollen prostate.. But I can't really assume it's the mast or it could be estro issues from test ECT ECT.. But I do keep my mast low along with my test low.. But adding mast into any cycle makes it much more effective .. Whether it's the lowering of shbg ect . . But I can tell I love npp.. But can not run it with out mast or proviron if I want to ever have sex lol.. It makes nandrolone much more tolerable..

thanks LATS...I may give it a shot..for summer.
I am blessed to have never have had any gyno issues and estro always tests out fine..the few times I experimented with nolvadex arimidex femara etc I ad terrible sides and I was taking them a 1/2 to 1/3rd the recommended doses.
I am on 20 mg cialis EOD since the doc gave me a script and have a bunch of 5 mg tabs plus a few bottles of research stuff, seems to keep Prostate in check...

 

[Massive G]

You will go bald if you are prone to male pattern baldness. You will notice an increase in body hair because DHTs lower SHBG and lower SHBG increases free testosterone.

no plenty of head hair, receeding due to age but still get it cut once every 2 weeks. Bodyhair different story....like a full grown gorilla if I let it go...

 

[GreenTLB6]

I just made that point in the arimidex thread. People were trying to put a dosage of their arimidex based on their test dosage. That's fine if you are only using test and no other androgens but as soon as other androgens are introduced you better base you arimidex/AI dosage on the entire picture. For example I can runs 1/2mg arimidex a day while using 600-750mg of test alone. As soon as I add some other androgen (tren, Adrol, etc) I have to up it to 1mg ED or I get gyno flares quick.

 

[chainheart]

refresher course and enlighten the uninitiated

you can put all the gear you can afford in your body, but if you don’t have androgen receptors for them to bind to - they float around till eliminated. your gear must locate then dock with available androgen receptors or you won't build muscle mass.

never understood why so many don't care to invest in or even study the purpose behind an AI (aromatase inhibitor). elevated estradiol competes with testosterone at the androgen receptors. the estradiol docking in those receptors block testosterone from activating the receptor - nothing happens. it lowers your free testosterone. the free T is the testosterone in the blood that is available to bind to receptors in the brain, muscle, and other organs of the body. an AI such as Aromasin /exmestane, Arimidex/anastrozole or Femara/letrozole halts the loss of testosterone to conversion then lowers your estradiol. this frees the androgen receptors for your testosterone. NOT talking about SERMS (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) such as Nolvadex/tamoxifen citrate or Clomid, i'm discussing aromatase inhibitors.

(i realize the pros know this and is for the uninitiated lifters)

one reason we say get lean and work your body to it's highest natural potential before starting anabolic steroids is that estradiol is a nightmare when body fat is too high. no matter how much testosterone you inject it isn't being distributed as it should because too many of your androgen receptors are blocked. your free testosterone is going nowhere because it has no where to go. inject high doses of testosterone, however because of high BF this is made worse converting into more estradiol and that's known as aromatase. guys LOSE THE BF BEFORE injecting rather than injecting to lose BF.

want more androgen receptors for T to dock with...

resistance training activates androgen receptors. L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate transports lipids (fat) into the cellular mitochondria to be used as energy - androgen receptor activity within those same cells is increased. eat salmon, take your fish oils and use pure virgin olive oil when you can. i also recall reading Synthetine increases number of androgen receptors.

Post not intended to promote couch potato behavior.

 

[chainheart]

Bodyhair different story....like a full grown gorilla if I let it go...

brother Massive G is that your wife selling Gorilla Glue on ebay and what's really in it?

Post not intended to insult. Massive G knows i write this in jest.

 

[Zarati]

you can put all the gear you can afford in your body, but if you don’t have androgen receptors for them to bind to - they float around till eliminated. your gear must locate then dock with available androgen receptors or you won't build muscle mass.

never understood why so many don't care to invest in or even study the purpose behind an AI (aromatase inhibitor). elevated estradiol competes with testosterone at the androgen receptors. the estradiol docking in those receptors block testosterone from activating the receptor - nothing happens. it lowers your free testosterone. the free T is the testosterone in the blood that is available to bind to receptors in the brain, muscle, and other organs of the body. an AI such as Aromasin /exmestane, Arimidex/anastrozole or Femara/letrozole halts the loss of testosterone to conversion then lowers your estradiol. this frees the androgen receptors for your testosterone. NOT talking about SERMS (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) such as Nolvadex/tamoxifen citrate or Clomid, i'm discussing aromatase inhibitors.

(i realize the pros know this and is for the uninitiated lifters)

one reason we say get lean and work your body to it's highest natural potential before starting anabolic steroids is that estradiol is a nightmare when body fat is too high. no matter how much testosterone you inject it isn't being distributed as it should because too many of your androgen receptors are blocked. your free testosterone is going nowhere because it has no where to go. inject high doses of testosterone, however because of high BF this is made worse converting into more estradiol and that's known as aromatase. guys LOSE THE BF BEFORE injecting rather than injecting to lose BF.

want more androgen receptors for T to dock with...

resistance training activates androgen receptors. L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate transports lipids (fat) into the cellular mitochondria to be used as energy - androgen receptor activity within those same cells is increased. eat salmon, take your fish oils and use pure virgin olive oil when you can. i also recall reading Synthetine increases number of androgen receptors.

Post not intended to promote couch potato behavior.

Some great info right there

 

[Massive G]

brother Massive G is that your wife selling Gorilla Glue on ebay and what's really in it?

Post not intended to insult. Massive G knows i write this in jest.

ahhhh your back I missed your posts

 

[LATS]

High E2, High DHT, both are reasons that cause growth in prostate. Take 5mg of cialis daily.

I do already.. 10 mgs eod.. Does work well.. Just have to be more consuistant with it now..

 

[LATS]

Some great info right there

I agree with this now as I get older more than ever.. I am recupping from a knee replacement and haven't toyched a weight in two months.. But in this time I'm trying to drop as much by as possible and keep it off., estrogen lives bodyfat.. Keep br fat and keep anti e at appropriate dosages and you will not have many of the sides of test..

 

[b_cornelius]

you can put all the gear you can afford in your body, but if you don’t have androgen receptors for them to bind to - they float around till eliminated. your gear must locate then dock with available androgen receptors or you won't build muscle mass.

never understood why so many don't care to invest in or even study the purpose behind an AI (aromatase inhibitor). elevated estradiol competes with testosterone at the androgen receptors. the estradiol docking in those receptors block testosterone from activating the receptor - nothing happens. it lowers your free testosterone. the free T is the testosterone in the blood that is available to bind to receptors in the brain, muscle, and other organs of the body. an AI such as Aromasin /exmestane, Arimidex/anastrozole or Femara/letrozole halts the loss of testosterone to conversion then lowers your estradiol. this frees the androgen receptors for your testosterone. NOT talking about SERMS (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) such as Nolvadex/tamoxifen citrate or Clomid, i'm discussing aromatase inhibitors.

(i realize the pros know this and is for the uninitiated lifters)

one reason we say get lean and work your body to it's highest natural potential before starting anabolic steroids is that estradiol is a nightmare when body fat is too high. no matter how much testosterone you inject it isn't being distributed as it should because too many of your androgen receptors are blocked. your free testosterone is going nowhere because it has no where to go. inject high doses of testosterone, however because of high BF this is made worse converting into more estradiol and that's known as aromatase. guys LOSE THE BF BEFORE injecting rather than injecting to lose BF.

want more androgen receptors for T to dock with...

resistance training activates androgen receptors. L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate transports lipids (fat) into the cellular mitochondria to be used as energy - androgen receptor activity within those same cells is increased. eat salmon, take your fish oils and use pure virgin olive oil when you can. i also recall reading Synthetine increases number of androgen receptors.

Post not intended to promote couch potato behavior.

It's possible for estrogen to bind to the AR, but the affinity is rather low.

Striated muscle is mostly populated with the Estrogen Receptor Beta. Activation of the ERB actually tends to increase expression of the AR. One of the several reasons estrogens are good for growth.

Regardless, it's good to get lean before starting a cycle. Of course, adipose tissue increases aromatization, but that's a rather minor issue. A person should slowly shed the fat while off-cycle because that's the only real progress that can be expected while off cycle, and it preps for the next cycle.

As far as the original premise of this thread goes, right on. Also, you should beware of Caber and Prami because they are psychoactive substances, and they also screw with your entire nervous system. A recreational drug user may not care, but some people are really unaware of where these drugs sit in the spectrum of substances, especially since they are easily obtainable.

You should definitely get your estrogen levels in check before you start guessing about prolactin.

 

[11111]

It's possible for estrogen to bind to the AR, but the affinity is rather low.

Striated muscle is mostly populated with the Estrogen Receptor Beta. Activation of the ERB actually tends to increase expression of the AR. One of the several reasons estrogens are good for growth.

Regardless, it's good to get lean before starting a cycle. Of course, adipose tissue increases aromatization, but that's a rather minor issue. A person should slowly shed the fat while off-cycle because that's the only real progress that can be expected while off cycle, and it preps for the next cycle.

As far as the original premise of this thread goes, right on. Also, you should beware of Caber and Prami because they are psychoactive substances, and they also screw with your entire nervous system. A recreational drug user may not care, but some people are really unaware of where these drugs sit in the spectrum of substances, especially since they are easily obtainable.

You should definitely get your estrogen levels in check before you start guessing about prolactin.

It's great to see you back