Favorite TREN ester?

liftin4life · Oct 30, 2006

Everyone has said "test is best" in the past, but there has been soooo much talk about Tren lately that I have to ask about it. How is the toxicity? Gains? Hair-loss? Estro-sides?

Also...what ester is the most effective with least sides?

Fullybuilt · Oct 30, 2006

K1 · Oct 30, 2006

Fullybuilt said:
ACE

Definately ACE, faster acting ester for sure.............

Koevoet · Oct 30, 2006

liftin4life said:
Also...what ester is the most effective with least sides?

The ester has no meaningful impact on effectiveness or sides. Just as test is test regardless of the ester, the same is true for tren or any other compound.

Esters are used to improve the solubility in oil and increase the half-life. Your body has to first hydrolyze the ester before it can use the compound.

Big Bapper · Oct 30, 2006

From personal experence with Tren and I have used all easters of the drug even the combo by BritishDragon. I would have to disagree. Tren Ace is the way to go to keep the sides to a mininum.

Koevoet · Oct 30, 2006

Consider the following scenarios:

Person A injects 1cc of 100mg/ml trenbolone acetate
Due to the short ester, hydrolysis occurs quickly
Hydrolysis is the removal of the ester
The freed trenbolone then travels the body and activates the various androgen receptors in cells.

Person B injects 1cc of 100mg/ml trenbolone enanthate
Due to the longer ester, hydrolysis occurs slower
Hydrolysis is the removal of the ester
The freed trenbolone then travels the body and activates the various androgen receptors in cells.

What is the difference between the two? Only the type of ester, and the time the body takes to remove it. The body does not use a compound that is esterized, it first removes the ester and then the compound can be used.

Hence the ester can not have an effect of the sides or how the drug actually works, because it is removed before your body uses the drug.

TeamZ · Oct 30, 2006

Koevoet said:
Consider the following scenarios:

Person A injects 1cc of 100mg/ml trenbolone acetate
Due to the short ester, hydrolysis occurs quickly
Hydrolysis is the removal of the ester
The freed trenbolone then travels the body and activates the various androgen receptors in cells.

Person B injects 1cc of 100mg/ml trenbolone enanthate
Due to the longer ester, hydrolysis occurs slower
Hydrolysis is the removal of the ester
The freed trenbolone then travels the body and activates the various androgen receptors in cells.

What is the difference between the two? Only the type of ester, and the time the body takes to remove it. The body does not use a compound that is esterized, it first removes the ester and then the compound can be used.

Hence the ester can not have an effect of the sides or how the drug actually works, because it is removed before your body uses the drug.

Perfect! and that's why I like enanthate, less pain and at 250mg/ml 2cc a week in one shot is all you need!!!

ghostdog128 · Oct 30, 2006

Koevoet said:
Consider the following scenarios:

Person A injects 1cc of 100mg/ml trenbolone acetate
Due to the short ester, hydrolysis occurs quickly
Hydrolysis is the removal of the ester
The freed trenbolone then travels the body and activates the various androgen receptors in cells.

Person B injects 1cc of 100mg/ml trenbolone enanthate
Due to the longer ester, hydrolysis occurs slower
Hydrolysis is the removal of the ester
The freed trenbolone then travels the body and activates the various androgen receptors in cells.

What is the difference between the two? Only the type of ester, and the time the body takes to remove it. The body does not use a compound that is esterized, it first removes the ester and then the compound can be used.

Hence the ester can not have an effect of the sides or how the drug actually works, because it is removed before your body uses the drug.

I like this explanation, it proves my point why using test prop will actually bloat people more so than test E. I don't know why everyone thinks prop doesn't bloat as much. You have more active hormone circulating faster causing a faster estrogen rise and more bloat.. didn't mean to hijack.

but wouldn't the tren Ace ester cause more sides.. do to the fact that you have more actual hormone being released faster and have more hormone circulating. Granted all the sides are the same just with the acetate ester they will start sooner.

m8o8r8e8n8a8z8o · Oct 30, 2006

SIDES

IMO smaller esther = shorter half life of tha drug
If blood levels goes up quik , your system will only use untill its saturated the rest will goes to.....waste (urine , bile , excrement).
bigger esther = longer half life
drug levels remain steady during a longer period of time and your system has a chance to use almost all of tha AAS , and cause more Sides IMO.
Tha only tren I have used is Acethate , would like to try the enanthate form on my next cycle.
So Ace although painfull has some very good results , and with the prop did not have any libido issues.
Lack of sleep was a moderate issue , it cut my sleeping time 2 hours.
I'm on Eq right now and tren is better period.

gettnlarge01 · Oct 31, 2006

Tren ace just because I love the ed injections!! LOL

Big Bapper · Oct 31, 2006

Koevoet said:
Consider the following scenarios:

Person A injects 1cc of 100mg/ml trenbolone acetate
Due to the short ester, hydrolysis occurs quickly
Hydrolysis is the removal of the ester
The freed trenbolone then travels the body and activates the various androgen receptors in cells.

Person B injects 1cc of 100mg/ml trenbolone enanthate
Due to the longer ester, hydrolysis occurs slower
Hydrolysis is the removal of the ester
The freed trenbolone then travels the body and activates the various androgen receptors in cells.

What is the difference between the two? Only the type of ester, and the time the body takes to remove it. The body does not use a compound that is esterized, it first removes the ester and then the compound can be used.

Hence the ester can not have an effect of the sides or how the drug actually works, because it is removed before your body uses the drug.

Good work soilder, however my opinon is you can keep a more stable levle of the drug using Tren Ace ED, rather than the longer acting Tren Enanthate

More stable levles = Less sides.

This is just from my personal use of Tren(all of the esters). If you get less sides with Tren Enanthate go for Tren Enath. It just goes to show people responed different to different esters of Tren.

Koevoet · Oct 31, 2006

Why do you believe you can keep blood levels more stable with a shorter ester?

Why do you believe that more stable bloods levels will equate to less unwanted side effects?

Ashop · Oct 31, 2006

liftin4life said:
Everyone has said "test is best" in the past, but there has been soooo much talk about Tren lately that I have to ask about it. How is the toxicity? Gains? Hair-loss? Estro-sides?

Also...what ester is the most effective with least sides?

I like both TREN ACE and ENAN.

liftin4life · Oct 31, 2006

This is becoming interesting. I still haven't decided which is best.

Sesshomaru · Oct 31, 2006

I like enan, but Ive been using prop this cycle and like it better than cyp because it works faster. Id be curious about ace.

Massive G · Oct 31, 2006

Interesting on how different people are.
Sorta like some guys like TC over TE or Sust or TP etc.
Para is the best one, incredible weight gain hardness and density wiht little water off of 3-400 mgs a week.
In the old days 2-3 76 mg amps a week was considered a high dose and for good reason it's very potent and effective at that dose.

TeamZ · Oct 31, 2006

Massive G said:
Interesting on how different people are.
Sorta like some guys like TC over TE or Sust or TP etc.
Para is the best one, incredible weight gain hardness and density wiht little water off of 3-400 mgs a week.
In the old days 2-3 76 mg amps a week was considered a high dose and for good reason it's very potent and effective at that dose.

One of the best cycles I ever ran was one para a day M-F. 18 very solid pounds in 6 weeks! Too bad it isn't around anymore! I have seen that several UGL's have Tren hex I wonder how it is?

bigains · Oct 31, 2006

I get less sides on any short acting compound as long as I do enough shots per week, acne is probibly the worst for me. I believe this is because I get more sides when the hormone level is going up or going down, but once the level becomes steady in my system my skin becomes more clear than when I am off. The dose doesn't mater as much as the stability of the hormone level in my blood. SO when I use tren ace I get acne for about a week or two while the blood levels are rising and as long as I do an injection ed or eod my skin stays clear for the rest of the cycle. But when I use the longer ester I get acne for around a month while the blood levels are increasing. I also seem to have more acne when coming off of the longer esters.