DEBATE/OPINIONS? :Do drugs REALLY contribute to hardness precontest?

TooPowerful4u · Jan 17, 2007

I mean... i see alot of guys come off juice 1-2 weeks out. I see alot of naturals too.... that all come in HARD as a rock. Does Hardness have more to do with leanness/dryness/fullness than actual juice? Everyone says Halo or Masteron or Tren contribute to their hardness, but im not so sure of this anymore. Im thinkin these drugs keep u dry while getting as lean as possible without losing your mass. Thoughts?

wakejump4me · Jan 17, 2007

IMO , if you are having your water under control , having full glycogen stores and of course >>if you have done your cardio , then in my opinion you can come in , in awesome condition . meaning full ,dry and shredded . i don't see where a natural could not get in the same or even better condition .

wake

KillerStack · Jan 17, 2007

Number 1: be lean enough! Too many blame water retention, not having the right gear etc for their poor conditioning. You can look amazing and "dry" on test + d-bol and no crazy carb load if you are in shape, meaning lean enough.

JMHO.

oldfella · Jan 17, 2007

I think the diet and training phase of most competitors will be the defining factor that brings them in hard or soft. Certain drugs will add to the vascularity and fullness of the muscle. But it really is a matter of ridding the body of as much fat as possible and keeping water retention to a minimum. The probs with nattys is losing muscle at the diet end of the deal. When they try to strip down into single digit bf readings they sacrifice a fair amount of muscle. Juice helps keep positive nitrogen balance and helps to stop the catabolic effect of neg nitro balance. Also helps keep water in the cells of muscles thus a bigger fuller appearing muscle. IMO hardness is a result of specific aspects of your diet and training regiment. I have used oily test and other drugs that others have had a real hard time with water retention and come in Hard, Dry and full. So I really think it comes down to diet and training, the shit just makes the job a little easier IMO.

Rob Roy · Jan 17, 2007

Have to agree with oldfella on this one. "It makes the job easier" while maintaining lean mass. I also believe that the hardness comes from being full. Muscle under skin is like having a balloon inside of a balloon. The fuller the inner balloon is, the more the outer balloon is streched. Obviouslly you need to tear away the bodyfat first making you lean and dumping water sq.

Magnum · Jan 17, 2007

Androgens contributed to hardness.

edge250 · Jan 17, 2007

i say genetics play a big role. look at cutler to me he just doesnt have the hard, grainy look, and definetly not vascular. if there was a drug that could give him that look i am sure he would be taking advantage of it. and i am saying this of him in comparison to someone like yates or coleman.

kidstuff · Jan 17, 2007

edge250 said:
i say genetics play a big role. look at cutler to me he just doesnt have the hard, grainy look, and definetly not vascular. if there was a drug that could give him that look i am sure he would be taking advantage of it. and i am saying this of him in comparison to someone like yates or coleman.

thats true for someone like flex wheeler (although i never saw him in person)

dorian used to look like he was made of granite.