FoodFreak, I would like to hear YOUR opinion on diet.

[emeric delczeg]

Originally Posted by myosin

Sorry if I missed this, but for those who can't get farm fresh eggs, what about concern's for salmonella from raw eggs?

First check the egg to see how fresh is, simple test : get a bowl filled with water make sure the bowl is deep enough for an egg to sink to the bottom & still be covered in water, if the egg lies on its side at the bottom it is fresh, if the egg stands up at the bottom the egg is fine but you should boil it or cooked, if the egg is floting on the top is not fresh, take it back to the store.

[Jmuls]

Originally Posted by emeric delczeg

First check the egg to see how fresh is, simple test : get a bowl filled with water make sure the bowl is deep enough for an egg to sink to the bottom & still be covered in water, if the egg lies on its side at the bottom it is fresh, if the egg stands up at the bottom the egg is fine but you should boil it or cooked, if the egg is floting on the top is not fresh, take it back to the store.

Wow, never heard this one before. Thanks Emeric!

[BigJB]

What does everyone think of eating oatmeal and a small portion of fruit with a protien source with each meal instead of rice or potatoes? I enjoy the texture of oatmeal much better and it seems to keep me more satisfied than rice or potatoes.

[Shelby]

Originally Posted by BigJB

What does everyone think of eating oatmeal and a small portion of fruit with a protien source with each meal instead of rice or potatoes? I enjoy the texture of oatmeal much better and it seems to keep me more satisfied than rice or potatoes.

Probably because oatmeal contains more fat, protein, and fiber than rice or potatoes...

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by emeric delczeg

First check the egg to see how fresh is, simple test : get a bowl filled with water make sure the bowl is deep enough for an egg to sink to the bottom & still be covered in water, if the egg lies on its side at the bottom it is fresh, if the egg stands up at the bottom the egg is fine but you should boil it or cooked, if the egg is floting on the top is not fresh, take it back to the store.

The things I learn everytime I open this thread. Good info!

[myosin]

Originally Posted by emeric delczeg

First check the egg to see how fresh is, simple test : get a bowl filled with water make sure the bowl is deep enough for an egg to sink to the bottom & still be covered in water, if the egg lies on its side at the bottom it is fresh, if the egg stands up at the bottom the egg is fine but you should boil it or cooked, if the egg is floting on the top is not fresh, take it back to the store.

Wow, thanks Emeric, that's very helpful.

[kscowboy]

Originally Posted by emeric delczeg

Over easy or soft boiled

Well it was time for my last meal before bed time so i decided to add some soft boiled eggs in the mix. SInce my eggs are store bought (The best i could find are "cage free" vegetarian fed eggs) i wanted to cook the whites for safety. Just so everyone knows, soft boiled for me was about 6 minutes. I added the eggs to the water AFTER it was already at a rolling boil (Just lower them into the hot water with a spoon so you dont burn your fingers or drop the eggs into the pan and crack the shells).

[b-boy]

Originally Posted by Lenny

The things I learn everytime I open this thread. Good info!

ha ha lenny i was thinking the exact same thing when I read Emerics response, damn the things I learn in this thread... WOW.

[w8tlifterty]

Sagaboy posted this site a couple pages back. They have some great studies and essays about all things grass fed and more. Very good articles. It seems that we should be at a 1:1 ratio of Omega 3's to Omega 6's. By eating a 'western diet' (high grains, corn fed meat products and the like) we tip that ratio greatly... leading to a whole host of problems. In fact, it states that much of the grain fed beef and poultry we eat daily could be anywhere from 15:1 to 18:1 O-6's to O-3's.

This all makes so much sense and is quite simple it pisses me off that I haven't looked into it sooner....

Ok, so here's a question... for those of us getting started trying to 'flip' the ratio. If we start eliminating the 'bad' sources and start implementing the tools we've learned; gf beef, butter, organic leafy green veggies, etc. How long will it take before we reach a better ratio of fatty acids??? I mean, does all the years of eating grain fed products build up or can we flip that ratio rather quickly and start reaping the benefits.

[kscowboy]

MD & FF-I have been looking at different sources for GF beef but need a little help in regards on how you guys order. Do you consider ground gf beef to be as good as the steaks or roasts? In store bought meat, i usually watch the fat content of the ground meat i buy and only buy 95% lean or better but is this a concern when ordering or eating gf beef?

Also what cuts do yall order....flank, eye of round, roasts.......etc.......Just wondering what cuts you prefer.

One last question, i usually weigh my portions to calculate grams of protein (Not worried about counting calories but i do count protein amounts). I usually eat eye of round steaks or top round steaks and got the protein content off of nutritionaldata.com and i know how much protein is in each ounce of each cut. Is the nutritional data significantly different between gf beef and store bought meat? THanks again, KS

[bloodshed]

Originally Posted by w8tlifterty

Sagaboy posted this site a couple pages back. They have some great studies and essays about all things grass fed and more. Very good articles. It seems that we should be at a 1:1 ratio of Omega 3's to Omega 6's. By eating a 'western diet' (high grains, corn fed meat products and the like) we tip that ratio greatly... leading to a whole host of problems. In fact, it states that much of the grain fed beef and poultry we eat daily could be anywhere from 15:1 to 18:1 O-6's to O-3's.

This all makes so much sense and is quite simple it pisses me off that I haven't looked into it sooner....

Ok, so here's a question... for those of us getting started trying to 'flip' the ratio. If we start eliminating the 'bad' sources and start implementing the tools we've learned; gf beef, butter, organic leafy green veggies, etc. How long will it take before we reach a better ratio of fatty acids??? I mean, does all the years of eating grain fed products build up or can we flip that ratio rather quickly and start reaping the benefits.

this is a good question, im interested in hearing the answer as well. this is just a guess, but i would think switching the ratio in our diet we would reach a better ratio fairly quickly, but it may take longer to reap the benefits of it. this is all speculation though and i could be completely wrong.

[Kapeta]

With all of this talk, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Metabolic Typing. Has anyone ever gotten a test done on them? Very interesting.

[Knight9]

FoodFreak, Mountaindog, other GURUs of this thread....

Do you ever advocate Whey Protein Isolate? I see and know most of you guys will opt for real food but is Whey Protein Isolate EVER a staple/part of your diet? Whether it be post workout or whenever...
Do you use/advocate the use of it? And if so, when?

[BigJB]

Shelby, would you recommend it then, I usually cut off carbs around 6 and switch to just protien and efa's til bed time. would oatmeal 3 out of 4 meals be a bad thing?

[Blade_HST]

Very interesting thread, and I agree with, and function better myself on the principles presented.

I'm not so convinced that everything should be ingested raw, however. Keep in mind that the heating and "denaturing" of proteins is considered an evolutionary advantage for the human species, as it improves digestibility, nutrient uptake and kills various pathogens.

Cooking and grinding reduces the cost of meat digestion

The energetic significance of cooking

How cooking helped us evolve

Also keep in mind that many organic foods today aren't necessarily healthier. There are many who just slap the 'Organic' moniker on something to essentially double the price of a food that was grown/bred in an environment producing nutrients of lesser quality rather than higher quality:

Is Organic Food Healthier? Nick Tumminello Fitness | Baltimore Personal Trainer | Men's Health Best Personal Trainer
Is Organic Food Healthier? – Part 2 Nick Tumminello Fitness | Baltimore Personal Trainer | Men's Health Best Personal Trainer

Not disagreeing here, just presenting a counterpoint and afterthought to the discussion. One should always be critical, but I find that being overly obsessive and paranoid about anything non-organic-raw-grassfed could make some people lose perspective.

[almard]

What do you think guys of Lamb as protine source? I like to have lamb with raw milk every meal....LOL

[myosin]

Originally Posted by emeric delczeg

First check the egg to see how fresh is, simple test : get a bowl filled with water make sure the bowl is deep enough for an egg to sink to the bottom & still be covered in water, if the egg lies on its side at the bottom it is fresh, if the egg stands up at the bottom the egg is fine but you should boil it or cooked, if the egg is floting on the top is not fresh, take it back to the store.

It makes sense... has do with the gas production of the salmonella and the density of the egg. Too much gas it will stand up or float. cool.

[full_belly]

would one be potentially able to eliminate supplements if eating daily;

grass fed beef,
grass fed butter
salmon
omega 3 eggs
coconut oil
blueberries

and adding the natural codliver oil/ high vit butter gel

what would you add???

[mule]

Originally Posted by b-boy

such a great post, thanks to this thread and certain individual in this thread im out finding great food that i didn't even know was in my area, just found some good raw milk, and yes good food is a lil more expensive but sooooooo worth it, guys will spend thousands of dollars on cycles but complain about the price of some good organic whole foods. this thread has sooooooo opened my eyes.

i am sure you would have done this anyways but one thing though watch is adding some of these foods too quickly. things like raw milk are LIVE foods, if you have never eaten them before you body needs to get used to the. they have live bacteria in them that though are good for you have to soeme getting used to , what i am saying is just start with small amounts and work you way up. start with with just like one small glass a day for few days and if you fine , then try 2 small glasses and if your fine about 3 or 4 more days 3 small glasses, then if you good at that point after a couple weeks you will no be okay to drink what you want.

same with raw eggs, do not just go and have 8 the first time lol. start with 1

even coconut oil, it has large anit viral and anti bacterial properties, start with a small amount and work your way up, a large amount off the bat can upset some peoples stomachs

[mule]

Originally Posted by Blade_HST

Very interesting thread, and I agree with, and function better myself on the principles presented.

I'm not so convinced that everything should be ingested raw, however. Keep in mind that the heating and "denaturing" of proteins is considered an evolutionary advantage for the human species, as it improves digestibility, nutrient uptake and kills various pathogens.

Cooking and grinding reduces the cost of meat digestion

The energetic significance of cooking

How cooking helped us evolve

Also keep in mind that many organic foods today aren't necessarily healthier. There are many who just slap the 'Organic' moniker on something to essentially double the price of a food that was grown/bred in an environment producing nutrients of lesser quality rather than higher quality:

Is Organic Food Healthier? Nick Tumminello Fitness | Baltimore Personal Trainer | Men's Health Best Personal Trainer
Is Organic Food Healthier? – Part 2 Nick Tumminello Fitness | Baltimore Personal Trainer | Men's Health Best Personal Trainer

Not disagreeing here, just presenting a counterpoint and afterthought to the discussion. One should always be critical, but I find that being overly obsessive and paranoid about anything non-organic-raw-grassfed could make some people lose perspective.

blade i would have to disagree with you on cooking being a health advantage in general, but weston price also never said to eat 100 percent raw diet but what he say in traditional societies was a lot more raw food being eaten and cooking methods that were much different that what we are doing. in general though cooking does not make most foods better.

really the point of weston price is that traditional man including people who live in traditional societies today do not eat like the average American,whatever eating method that traditional man gained has been lost by the average person today. for instance do you soak your grains before eating them? that is what man has done for thousands of years but you probably do not do that, do you?. the other many other aspects as well. really read his book, this man went out and did not speculate on what a healthy diet was he. went worldwide and saw it with his own too eyes.also watch that moved i put a link on "food inc" there is nothing traditional about the modern food most are eating, it is not the same food Man historically has consumed, it is mostly processed adulterated garbage, did you read my info on orange juice a few pages back. Most foods have suffered similar fates meaning your often not getting what you think. knowlegde is power . there is nothing wrong with making an informed choice , but i like what you said about paranoia and perspective, that is so important . you have to use this information in the right way

read his book

a basic version is right here

Weston Price: Nutrition and Physical Degeneration; Table of Contents


the great point you made though is about paranoia and perspective. paranoia does not serve anyone, including bodybuilders, cortisol levels do not need to be sky high all day in fight or flight mode obviously. so you are right do not take this information and use it in the wrong way and be a paranoid freak. almost all great athletes have the ability to relax when they need to. if you start making lifestyle changes, constant stress can undue all of that,so you point about perspective is bang on.as long as you habits change for the better your going to be fine health wise, doesn't mean when you go to a family friends house for birthday you demand your special foods or your not eating lol

and on you organic point that is very true too in some cases , but you have to figure out though what is good and what isn't. something like grass fed vs corn fed though is not joke, the meat is nutritionally better. that does not mean though you need to freak out necessarily if you don't eat 100 percent grass fed 100 percent of the time. you might want to make a conscious effort to change most of time though if you can. same kind of common sense would apply for other foods as well. nutritionally dense food is key here. if your going to spend money on food get some that has more actually available nutrition for you body , that is the point here.

now this post i just made is eating eating for health in general but as bodybuilder we all kind of go extremes for an edge so this topic can apply here as well, better food can definitely help.