ZMA?

[Jappy's Boy]

Anyone use it? Thoughts?

[wasp]

yes, dont waste your money, test gives me waaaaaaay better dreams

[dropshot001]

i use trueprotein's zma + gaba and like it a lot. i've been using zma for about 5 years now and the quality of sleep that it gives me is great.

[King-kong]

I took it for a while and still wound up on HRt from low levels. I find it funny that the same ingredients is in my multivitamin. I like drinking Casein protein before bed and the ZMA is supposed to be taken on an empty stomach before bed. I know some will get pissy but half of the shit sold by the supplement companies is hype. Tried a bunch over the years and the vast majority were just a waste of money.

I bought a huge bottle of BCAA's and glutamine and later realized it was already in my Whey protein mix I was using. For me - a good protein powder with the BCAA's and glutamine, creatine, and a multivitamin is a perfect combo. Whole food sources is what I recommend.

[riverhawk23]

I use zma and feel it does a ton to help with sleep. As for increase in test if that happens its a plus, I have not done any blood tests to prove or disprove that point. All I know is that when I fall a sleep I wake up very rested and have awesome dreams.

[mikennrg]

The sleep is almost always great from the stuff. I'm talking very deep sleep and crazy dreams. I haven't noticed any other benefits from it and test seem to prove that it doesn't increase test.

[btech]

ZMA is zinc, magnesium and vitamin B6, am I right? Why not just take those pills individually? Whole lot cheaper.

[mo chuisle]

I take a low dose (half of recommended serving b/c I'm petite) every night before bed and don't wake up at all during the night. I've noticed on the nights I skip it or forget, I don't sleep as soundly and wake up periodically at night. If I take a higher dose, I have a difficult time waking up in the morning and feel like I have a benadryl-like hangover the rest of the morning.

[Stewie Griffon]

zinc and magnesium are necessary nutrients, you need them in your diet. other than that they dont provide anything magical. this is a common theme among supplements

if a person were to completely eliminate any one necessary vitamin or mineral from their diet - they would eventually die. you need them to live like food, water and oxygen. this does not make them have any other special benefits, other than allowing your body to function properly.

[Bionic]

Study: ZMA DOES NOT RAISE TEST LEVELS

The Germans do have some good news about ZMA as well though. The supplement scarcely raises zinc levels in the body. The athletes excreted nearly all the extra zinc in their urine. ZMA users also urinated more – which explains why some ZMA users think that the stuff makes them ‘drier’. They dehydrate.

The rapid disappearance of extra zinc from the body is good news for all those bodybuilders who were duped into using ZMA. Researchers suspect that high levels of zinc intake can increase the risk of prostate cancer [J Natl Cancer Inst. 2003 Jul 2;95(13):1004-7.] in the long run.

[Jappy's Boy]

Guys (and gal), thanks very much for the responses. I truly appreciate it. My test levels are fine (598). I just thought maybe a natural supplement would keep my levels up there. I'm 40 btw. It sounds like it's a good thing to take if you have trouble sleeping though...again, THANKS!

[Bionic]

Originally Posted by Jappy's Boy

Guys (and gal), thanks very much for the responses. I truly appreciate it. My test levels are fine (598). I just thought maybe a natural supplement would keep my levels up there. I'm 40 btw. It sounds like it's a good thing to take if you have trouble sleeping though...again, THANKS!

Oh! In that case! Here you go.

Originally Posted by Folia Morphol (Warsz). 2009 Feb; 68(1): 45-51.

Think of a dirt-cheap vegetable you can buy at every greengrocers and supermarket. Put it in a juicer, give the juice to rats for three weeks, and watch their testosterone level rise by 314 percent.[/B] According to research done at Tabriz University in Iran, fresh onion juice raises testosterone levels as much as substances like nolvadex or clomid.

In Iran many men who have fertility problems can’t afford to buy medicine. That’s why Iranian researchers are looking for alternatives to medicines like NAC and selenium. Studies show that antioxidants can increase production of testosterone and sperm in the testes. Studies have also shown that onions contain strong antioxidants. So the researchers put two and two together and bought ordinary onions – Latin name Allium cepa – on the market. They peeled the onions and put them in a domestic juicer made by Tefal. The juice they got is what they used in their trials.

Their subjects were a group of 8-week-old male rats. Of these, 10 were given ordinary food for 20 days. [Control] Ten other rats got 0.5 g per kg bodyweight of onion juice, which was pumped into their stomachs using a tube. Another 10 rats were given the same treatment, but got 1 g/kg bodyweight/day.

The table below shows that after 20 days the onion juice had improved the sperm quality and increased the concentration of LH, FSH and testosterone in the rats’ blood.

Malondialdehyde is a mutagenic substance that is produced when free radicals damage the unsaturated fatty acids in cell membranes. The reduction in malondialdehyde concentrations that the researchers found indicates how the onion juice increases testosterone production: antioxidants in onion juice neutralise free radicals in the testes. The researchers suspect that the antioxidants in question are probably selenium compounds found in onions, and phenols such as quercetin and isorhamnetin [structural formulae shown above]. Isorhamnetin is also made in the body when enzymes convert quercetine with the help of S-adenosylmethionine.

The Iranian findings are not completely new. As long ago as 1967 an Egyptian researcher discovered that the testes of lab animals fed raw onion juice increase in size. At the moment there are quite a few animal studies which report that high doses of polyphenols like quercetin have a positive effect on the testes. But the effect of these is not as big as that of plain onion juice.

[Analog]

I used ZMA for however long the bottle lasted me for. I thought it worked pretty well. I definitely had some CRAZY dreams, nightmares etc. I felt as if i was getting a better nights sleep.
More REM sleep.

[Alin]

Originally Posted by Jappy's Boy

Anyone use it? Thoughts?

Ive used it and its ok,,,depending on what your trying to do.
I get better results with 3mg Melatonin before bed if your
looking for a natural sleep aid.

[Jappy's Boy]

WOW, so if I ever decide that I want a psychodelic trip, I'll take some ZMA and take a nap!

Onion juice, huh? Sounds awful! Thanks again everyone!

[BRINGTHEPAIN23]

GAVE ME GREAT MORNING WOOD...TODAY....

[juced_porkchop]

Originally Posted by Bionic

Oh! In that case! Here you go.

so then if i gave my wife alotta onions ...hummmmm........


lol sounds nasty but then again i drink vinigar (apple cider vinager) ed

[usilemu]

ZMA was one of the ingridiants i used in a test booster when i was 17-18yrs old and started growing thicker facial and body hair, so i guess dat could be to the increased androgen levels from test

[tweb123]

Originally Posted by Jappy's Boy

Guys (and gal), thanks very much for the responses. I truly appreciate it. My test levels are fine (598). I just thought maybe a natural supplement would keep my levels up there. I'm 40 btw. It sounds like it's a good thing to take if you have trouble sleeping though...again, THANKS!

THIS IS WHAT I TAKE BRO TRY IT GOOD STUFF

120 Capsules
Supplement Facts
Serving Size4Capsules
Servings Per Container30

Amount Per 4 Capsules % DV

Zinc 30mg 200%
Magnesium 450mg 113%
Vitamin B6 11mg 525%
Potassium 10mg <1%
Vitamin C 250mg 417%
Vitamin E 100IU 333%

Proprietary Anabolic Herbal Blend 780mg *
Tribulus Terrestris Extract (Standardized For Steriodal Saponins), Mucuna Puriens (Seeds Standardized For L-Dopa), Polypodium Vulgare (Suma Root Standardized For 20-Hydroxyecdysone)

LPC(Lysophosphatidylcholine) 100mg *
NAC(N-Acetyl Cysteine) 200mg

[Bionic]

Originally Posted by Bionic

Study: ZMA DOES NOT RAISE TEST LEVELS

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