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I am myself considering doing a cycle of synthol. I have two main questions:

1. Should I do Bi's or Tri's first? I dont think I have the balls (or the time) to do both, so it will be one or the other. I prefer hitting the Tri's since the gain is much bigger, but it seems doing the shots is also a little harder than doing the Bi's. HOWEVER, i think the Bi's also have more nerves, vains, etc running through them than the triceps do???

That means, I have less of a chance hitting nerves if I do triceps, correct???
I hate hitting nerves or nicking vains. Happens quite often when I shoot my quads. My whole freakin leg jolts. Very uncomfortable to say the least. The less of that, the better.

2. Muscles which have never been stuck before with needles tend to hurt more than ones which have been stuck before. For example, when i do glute shots I dont feel a damn thing. Great. But when I stuck my delts and quads the first 10 or 15 times it always hurt like hell. Sometimes to the point where I could hardly work out that day or the next.

So, is it beneficial to perhaps try "prepping" the injection site a few weeks or months beforehand by injecting AAS or other oils into the muscle you intend to use synthol with? Just trying to make my "ride" with synthol as painless as possible.

Any input on this would be great, particularly from people who have experience with both bis and tris.

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I am myself considering doing a cycle of synthol.
I have two main questions:

1. Should I do Bi's or Tri's first? I dont think I have the balls (or the time) to
do both, so it will be one or the other. I prefer hitting the Tri's since the gain
is much bigger, but it seems doing the shots is also a little harder than doing
the Bi's. HOWEVER, i think the Bi's also have more nerves, vains, etc running
through them than the triceps do???

You can either do both simultaneously for 1 month OR save your self some
shots and a few minutes every day and go through 2 months of discomfort.
Upto you. I would say do both. Yes its 4 more shots per day but only 1
month rather then 2... Pro outweighs the con Big Time! IMO.


That means, I have less of a chance hitting nerves if I do triceps, correct???

I hate hitting nerves or nicking vains. Happens quite often when I shoot my
quads. My whole freakin leg jolts. Very uncomfortable to say the least. The
less of that, the better.

Chances are you will hit both at one time or another at least once, its part of it.

When I did mine my first and second day went fine. Third day I hit a nerve in
each arm, 1 in the bicep and 1 in the tricep aswell as a vein. Wasn't fun.
But as you go on you start to remember the spots where you pinned and it
becomes less likely.


2. Muscles which have never been stuck before with needles tend to hurt
more than ones which have been stuck before. For example, when i do glute
shots I dont feel a damn thing. Great. But when I stuck my delts and quads
the first 10 or 15 times it always hurt like hell. Sometimes to the point where
I could hardly work out that day or the next.

So, is it beneficial to perhaps try "prepping" the injection site a few weeks or
months beforehand by injecting AAS or other oils into the muscle you intend
to use synthol with? Just trying to make my "ride" with synthol as painless as
possible.

What size needle you usually use? If you are using anything
bigger then 25g it's quite unnecessary and will cause undue pain. Another
question is how fast are you pushing it in? If you it's too quick then that will
definitely cause you more pain then if you were to take your time and also
something you definitely need to NOT do when applying Syntherol.

In regards to 'prepping' i don't think that would do much good as I doubt
there is anything that will get a muscle used to multiple daily injections
within close promixity of each other.



Any input on this would be great, particularly from people who have
experience with both bis and tris.

Check

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This one is for Big A


I used synterol and got abscess on shoulder.
They were confused with what happened. As soon as they cut me open, blood and oil splashed out down my side. It felt like someone tossed a water balloon at me. Ran samples for test and there was no bacteria. This confused them for awhile.

They said it was an accumulation of oil in my arm. When they did ultra sound they could see all the oil in my arm, they didn't know what to think.

Big A why did this happen? You sure protocol isn't too much, I mean you're injecting every day in that muscle for 30 days.

Maybe explain techniques to avoid this....
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Old 07-18-2010, 01:28 PM
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This one is for Big A


I used synterol and got abscess on shoulder.
They were confused with what happened. As soon as they cut me open, blood and oil splashed out down my side. It felt like someone tossed a water balloon at me. Ran samples for test and there was no bacteria. This confused them for awhile.

They said it was an accumulation of oil in my arm. When they did ultra sound they could see all the oil in my arm, they didn't know what to think.

Big A why did this happen? You sure protocol isn't too much, I mean you're injecting every day in that muscle for 30 days.

Maybe explain techniques to avoid this....
What made you think it was an abscess, since there was no infection/bacteria?

Having the oil in there is what's supposed to happen until the oil dissipates and the fascia is stretched.
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Old 07-19-2010, 05:04 AM
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What made you think it was an abscess, since there was no infection/bacteria?

Having the oil in there is what's supposed to happen until the oil dissipates and the fascia is stretched.
Lol that does make sense
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Lol that does make sense
painful lump....

Couldnt feel shoulder.....


someone came up to me and hit me in shoulder. I feel to the ground dizzy in so much pain.....


Thats how I know....
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painful lump....

Couldnt feel shoulder.....


someone came up to me and hit me in shoulder. I feel to the ground dizzy in so much pain.....


Thats how I know....
You have any pics after the operation?
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Hi, I'm from Holland and there are really no dutch sites related to synthol. That's why I come here asking.

1). On a dutch government-created site about synthol stands that synthol will decrease your muscle. I suppose this is a lie because I read that the muscle growth positively influenced?
2). How long can you store synthol?
3). How do you keep your synthol sterile because when I see pictures I dont see a vail but a bottle?
4). What kind of needles do I need. 25g?? I have never heard of this kind of size. We use for test 0,8*40mm (thickness*width in milimeter).
I dont know how to count from g to mm.
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:07 PM
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Hi, I'm from Holland and there are really no dutch
sites related to synthol. That's why I come here asking.

1). On a dutch government-created site about synthol stands that synthol
will decrease your muscle. I suppose this is a lie because I read that the
muscle growth positively influenced?
Yes that's a lie. You can read the the guide to Syntherol use on the first
page of this thread.

You can also read a more in depth article on the Science behind how
Syntherol works on this thread:
The Science Behind: ‘Syntherol – Site Enhancing Oil’ | Synthetek

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2). How long can you store synthol?
Several years. I have half a bottle left over from when I was using it
roughly 6 - 7 months ago and the expiry sticker says 07/2012.

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3). How do you keep your synthol sterile because when I see
pictures I dont see a vail but a bottle?
It is a bottle but the tops of the bottles have a 2 layer covering which
seal the contents once you withdraw the needle. You don't need to
change containers.

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4). What kind of needles do I need. 25g?? I have never heard of
this kind of size. We use for test 0,8*40mm (thickness*width in milimeter).
I dont know how to count from g to mm.
Depending on the muscle that you want to apply the Syntherol to.

If you are doing arms then 25g 1 inch will be suitable. See the picture for
the exact measurements of the needle. You can order these from

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Old 07-22-2010, 06:35 PM
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@ J4CK: Thanks for the reply.
I see that the needles that I need are 0,5mm*25mm.. I was worried that I needles of 1.2 * 50mm needed, I thought the oil would look fat.

An other question:

''You need to apply Syntherol™ to EVERY head of the muscle, while rotating the applications daily within that muscle head. This is the only way to ensure that the added size keeps to the natural look/shape of that particular muscle.''

I do not understand what is meant by ''while rotating the applications daily within that muscle head''.
I already have a translation program, then there is something strange out.
As I now understand, I should do two shits per turn in the biceps. One at one on the right and one on the left of the biceps..
But I dont get that thing about roating the applications daily? Or does this means that one day Ive got to do the inside and the other day outside of the biceps?

Maybe a silly question, but better be sure than unsure;
Do I have to finish the 'cycle'. Or you can stop when you are satisfied with the results?
Is there a relapse / temporary additional bloating?
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@ J4CK: Thanks for the reply.
I see that the needles that I need are 0,5mm*25mm.. I was worried that
I needles of 1.2 * 50mm needed, I thought the oil would look fat.

An other question:

''You need to apply Syntherol™ to EVERY head of the muscle, while
rotating the applications daily within that muscle head. This is the only
way to ensure that the added size keeps to the natural look/shape of
that particular muscle.''

I do not understand what is meant by ''while rotating the applications
daily within that muscle head''.
I already have a translation program, then there is something strange
out.
As I now understand, I should do two shits per turn in the biceps. One at
one on the right and one on the left of the biceps..
But I dont get that thing about roating the applications daily? Or does
this means that one day Ive got to do the inside and the other day
outside of the biceps?

Maybe a silly question, but better be sure than unsure;
Do I have to finish the 'cycle'. Or you can stop when you are satisfied with
the results?
Is there a relapse / temporary additional bloating?
Have a look here for where to do the injections if you are doing
biceps.

How to do injections - Biceps

1. You do both parts of the bicep (inner and outer head) every day.

2. Rotating application sites means injecting in a slightly different place
every day for both parts of the bicep.

If you have a look at the link you will see 3 pictures showing different
places to inject. You use that as a guide for day 1, 2 and 3. After day
3 just go back to the same place as day 1 and start again.

You do this to make sure that you are placing the oil evenly within the
muscle so that it get bigger evenly and not in just one place.

3. You need to finish the cycle if you don't complete it the results
probably not going to be permanent.

4. You will have swelling. It's something you cannot avoid when you are
doing a lot of injections. Once you finish the cycle the swelling goes away
within a few days, since the muscle will have a chance to recover.
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Massage question along with tricep question and 5 days a week.

I have only been hitting the upper tricep head. Is it imperative to hit the lower head underneath? Should I have been hitting upper then lower head of the tricep each time? Am I missing out on much size by not hitting the lower head.

Also I have been getting deep massage done by a therapist after doing my shots which are trap, mid and rear delt, upper tricep and inner/outer bicep. Is there such a thing as breaking up the oli to much? I'm having her work the shit out of these areas for an hour to an hour and a half each time. Breaking up any oil deposits she feels deep inside.

One last thing. I am only able to hit these areas during the weekdays. Having two days with no shots be detrimental to the whole plan?
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Questions about Tricep shots and 5 day program

Massage question along with tricep question and 5 days a week.

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I have only been hitting the upper tricep head. Is it imperative to hit the lower head underneath? Should I have been hitting upper then lower head of the tricep each time? Am I missing out on much size by not hitting the lower head.

Also I have been getting deep massage done by a therapist after doing my shots which are trap, mid and rear delt, upper tricep and inner/outer bicep. Is there such a thing as breaking up the oli to much? I'm having her work the shit out of these areas for an hour to an hour and a half each time. Breaking up any oil deposits she feels deep inside.

One last thing. I am only able to hit these areas during the weekdays. Having two days with no shots be detrimental to the whole plan
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Massage question along with tricep question and 5 days a week.

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I have only been hitting the upper tricep head. Is it imperative to hit the
lower head underneath?

Should I have been hitting upper then lower head of the tricep each time?
Am I missing out on much size by not hitting the lower head.

That's completely upto you - you will be increasing the size of one part of
the muscle and not the other. If the one you are not pinning is already
larger then the one you are pinning then you are simply bringing that one
up to match. Otherwise it may look slightly unproportional.


Also I have been getting deep massage done by a therapist after doing
my shots which are trap, mid and rear delt, upper tricep and inner/outer
bicep. Is there such a thing as breaking up the oli to much? I'm having her
work the shit out of these areas for an hour to an hour and a half each
time. Breaking up any oil deposits she feels deep inside.

Massage simply spreads the oil along the muscle fibres, the oil is only
'broken down' by your body. Just make sure the massage is not too 'hard'
so to speak - you don't want more bruising then you already have from
all the injections. Otherwise its good to massage frequently.


One last thing. I am only able to hit these areas during the weekdays.
Having two days with no shots be detrimental to the whole plan.

Yes it is. The oil get metabolized by the body, having 2 days without
any shots gives the body time to process some of the oil and alleviate the
pressure the oil puts on the fascia. If there is not enough pressure on the
fascia to stretch, it won't.
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Thanks J4cked, I found a way to get the last 10 days in at 3cc per head and man you can tell the differance. Friday will be day 10 of 3cc in tricep/bicep/rear delt/side delt/traps. I have to say I am pretty sore trying to sleep at night but it's all worth it. This last week is when I have really noticed a huge differance in my muscles. Arms a closing on 20 so I have only gained about an inch and a half or so but I'm 46 and maybe my facsia is more stubborn that I'm older. I also coming up on a show in December and am wondering if I can keep most the size of what I am doing during maintanance if I keep the protien high even though I am starting to limit my carb consumption a bit. I'm 15 weeks out so there is no hard dieting until I reach my 6 week out and start carb cycling. I'm hoping that even if I lose alot of it that my muscle bellies will still look somewhat fuller and not as flat as happens during a show sometimes.
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Thanks J4cked, I found a way to get the last 10 days in at 3cc per head and man you can tell the differance. Friday will be day 10 of 3cc in tricep/bicep/rear delt/side delt/traps. I have to say I am pretty sore trying to sleep at night but it's all worth it. This last week is when I have really noticed a huge differance in my muscles. Arms a closing on 20 so I have only gained about an inch and a half or so but I'm 46 and maybe my facsia is more stubborn that I'm older. I also coming up on a show in December and am wondering if I can keep most the size of what I am doing during maintanance if I keep the protien high even though I am starting to limit my carb consumption a bit. I'm 15 weeks out so there is no hard dieting until I reach my 6 week out and start carb cycling. I'm hoping that even if I lose alot of it that my muscle bellies will still look somewhat fuller and not as flat as happens during a show sometimes.
Np bro, good luck at your show.

Although I do think the days you missed in the protocol will have a lot more to do with your gains rather then the age of your fascia :P
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Np bro, good luck at your show.

Although I do think the days you missed in the protocol will have a lot more to do with your gains rather then the age of your fascia :P
Definitely, you shouldn't be missing any days at all. If you run Syntherol again you will notice what a difference it will make if you do not miss a single day.
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Thanks J4cked, I found a way to get the last 10 days in at 3cc per head and man you can tell the differance. Friday will be day 10 of 3cc in tricep/bicep/rear delt/side delt/traps. I have to say I am pretty sore trying to sleep at night but it's all worth it. This last week is when I have really noticed a huge differance in my muscles. Arms a closing on 20 so I have only gained about an inch and a half or so but I'm 46 and maybe my facsia is more stubborn that I'm older. I also coming up on a show in December and am wondering if I can keep most the size of what I am doing during maintanance if I keep the protien high even though I am starting to limit my carb consumption a bit. I'm 15 weeks out so there is no hard dieting until I reach my 6 week out and start carb cycling. I'm hoping that even if I lose alot of it that my muscle bellies will still look somewhat fuller and not as flat as happens during a show sometimes.
How is your prep coming along bro?
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Post cycle protocol question

I am going to end my Syntherol cycle in about a week, and have been trying to find where Big A said 3ml/per week for 6 weeks, or something like that for post cycle protocol.

I really want most of the size to become permanent, and don't want all the "fun" of an seo cycle to be in vain.
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