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doing gear and using synthol

I want to start another bulking cycle soon and I need to know if I should wait until I am done with the synthol in my arms? Of course I don't plan on injecting the gear in the same place I inject the synthol if that helps.
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I want to start another bulking cycle soon and I need to know if I should wait until I am done with the synthol in my arms? Of course I don't plan on injecting the gear in the same place I inject the synthol if that helps.
You want to be at the highest anabolic state while cycling Syntherol, to maximize growth. So, you should be cycling while running your Syntherol course.
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You want to be at the highest anabolic state while cycling Syntherol, to maximize growth. So, you should be cycling while running your Syntherol course.

Yeah definitely add juice when doing synthol! and lift like a motherfukker! You have to replace the oil with new muscle.
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your cycle should be at peak by the time you are hitting the maint phase to say the least. At this point the fascia has been fully stretched, and is just looking to build muscle.
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so i've seen some decent results. currently on maintenance phase and seem to have between 1/2" and 3/4" gain in arms.

i have a torn bicep, and i'm getting prolotherapy innjections on friday. basically healthy nutrients injected into bicep tendon, which cause inflammatation and triggers the body to repair itself.

Question 4 Pride and J4CKT (and anyone else in the know): will the Syntherol interfere with any other types of injections like this? i took a 2 week break on the bicep i'm getting treated, but am still injecting the tricep on that arm.
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so i've seen some decent results. currently on maintenance phase and seem to have between 1/2" and 3/4" gain in arms.

i have a torn bicep, and i'm getting prolotherapy innjections on friday. basically healthy nutrients injected into bicep tendon, which cause inflammatation and triggers the body to repair itself.

Question 4 Pride and J4CKT (and anyone else in the know): will the Syntherol interfere with any other types of injections like this? i took a 2 week break on the bicep i'm getting treated, but am still injecting the tricep on that arm.
Injecting Syntherol into your triceps should not effect the injections you are receiving from your doctor in your bicep. As long as you can continue to train the triceps daily you should be fine. I wouldn't suggest injecting Syntherol anywhere that you are receiving other injections.
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Scar Tissue or Oil Lump

How can you tell the difference?

If scar tissue gets overly massaged, it will cause more damage right?
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How can you tell the difference?

If scar tissue gets overly massaged, it will cause more damage right?
I bumped your other thread up top for more replies.

I'm not exactly sure but the scar tissue I have is not knotted in any way. For me, it gives a slight crackling sound and more pain piercing the skin with the pin. I've never had a lump from Syntherol, but I do know that you should not be heavily or over massaging the injection area because it can cause pain, knotting and bruising, which is why I always suggest using a small paint roller when massaging post injection.
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Injecting Syntherol into your triceps should not effect the injections you are receiving from your doctor in your bicep. As long as you can continue to train the triceps daily you should be fine. I wouldn't suggest injecting Syntherol anywhere that you are receiving other injections.
thanks for your reply! you think it would be safe to resume bicep Syntherol injections say 1 week after the prolotherapy?
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I bumped your other thread up top for more replies.

I'm not exactly sure but the scar tissue I have is not knotted in any way. For me, it gives a slight crackling sound and more pain piercing the skin with the pin. I've never had a lump from Syntherol, but I do know that you should not be heavily or over massaging the injection area because it can cause pain, knotting and bruising, which is why I always suggest using a small paint roller when massaging post injection.
i have this happening in a couple different spots in the triceps area. you explained it perfectly.
i also notice that sometimes the Syntherol injects much quicker in these spots. Is that a good thing? or should u try injecting in a different spot?
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Scar Tissue or Oil Lump

Perhaps what I'm feeling is the bruising/knotting you mentioned. It's all hard and bumpy along the long head part of the tricep that hangs during a double bicep pose.

I have been trying to pin the side of the long head in different spots while I rest that other area (it's been weird though, since the back works so well). I really don't want to take a complete indefinite break, since progress has been good, but if needs be, that's what I'll do. Advice?
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thanks for your reply! you think it would be safe to resume bicep Syntherol injections say 1 week after the prolotherapy?
I'm not sure on this one bro, sorry? I do not know what the prolotherapy injections that your doctor is administering to you consist of?
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i have this happening in a couple different spots in the triceps area. you explained it perfectly.
i also notice that sometimes the Syntherol injects much quicker in these spots. Is that a good thing? or should u try injecting in a different spot?
I would suggest injecting into a different location. You don't want to worsen the scar tissue any further. Also, no matter how quickly the oil is going in, make sure to inject very slowly, as to not cause any knotting and/or lumping.
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Perhaps what I'm feeling is the bruising/knotting you mentioned. It's all hard and bumpy along the long head part of the tricep that hangs during a double bicep pose.

I have been trying to pin the side of the long head in different spots while I rest that other area (it's been weird though, since the back works so well). I really don't want to take a complete indefinite break, since progress has been good, but if needs be, that's what I'll do. Advice?
You shouldn't pin the rear heads from a side angle, make sure to pin directly in from the back, you do not want to take the chance in deforming the triceps.

What size pin are you using? How are you massaging the area post injection?
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I'm not sure on this one bro, sorry? I do not know what the prolotherapy injections that your doctor is administering to you consist of?
hey pride, here is an article my doctor published on prolotherapy. i posted it over at rx a while back, and hopefully someone over here can benefit from it as well...(i didn't get my torn bicep fixed, instead i've been getting prolotherapy on the bicep tendons, with some success. its really great for tendonitis

heres the article...
A Shot at Relief

Often misunderstood, prolotherapy may deserve a closer look


Elena Polukhin, MD, PhD

Posted on: November 11, 2008
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Vol. 17 • Issue 11 • Page 19
Physician's Desk Pain management has changed drastically over the last 10 years. No longer content to just "live with it" or be passed off to an infinite number of specialists, consumers are taking control of their conditions. And they're increasingly reluctant to elect expensive pain medications and unproven, invasive surgeries.
Today's patients want safer, effective alternatives that bring long-lasting symptom relief.
I can't imagine operating a comprehensive pain management clinic without offering prolotherapy. I've seen this modality work wonders on general pain, such as fibromyalgia, migraines, myofascial pain and reflex sympathetic dystrophy, as well as specific joint pains such as temporomandibular joint discomfort, arthritis, carpal tunnel syndrome and tendinitis.
Prolotherapy has also been proven successful in reducing overuse syndromes and pain associated with injuries, such as meniscal tears, ligament sprains, herniated discs, spondylolisthesis and multiple sports injuries.
Recently, physicians have pushed the boundaries of what's possible with this modality, and are using it for hip dislocations, plantar fasciitis, rheumatoid arthritis, impotence, depression, alcoholism, drug addiction and AIDS-related neuropathy.
Yet despite its potential, prolotherapy isn't embraced by mainstream Western medicine. What is prolotherapy and why has it generated so much debate?
BEHIND THE TECHNIQUE
Variants of prolotherapy have existed for many centuries. Hipsyntherolpocrates was said to stick hot pokers into torn shoulder joints to reduce pain and speed healing.
While modern methods have advanced, the concept remains the same. By stimulating the body's natural aseptic inflammatory process, prolotherapy triggers self-repair mechanisms and promotes the body's innate ability to heal.1Prolotherapy involves injecting proliferant subsyntherolsyntherolsyntherolsyntherolsyntherolstances such as dex-syntherolsyntherolsyntherol
trose, phenol and ethanol to the fibro-osseous junction-the attachment site between ligasyntherolments, tendons and bones.2-4This triggers a local aseptic inflammation that increases blood flow to the area. Increased nutrients stimulate fibroblast activity, collagen growth and the synthesis of bioactive substances, naturally rejuvenating the tissue.

Prolotherapy relies on the hypothesis that bodily pain is caused primarily by ligamentous laxity (enthesopathy). Because painful muscle spasms are secondary, and appear as late sequelae, restoring the body's damaged tendon structure must take place before muscle spasms and trigger point pain can subside. This theory has been widely accepted in Europe and Olympic sports medicine circles.5-8Ligaments are the structural rubber bands that hold bones in place. Tendons connect muscles to bones. Both tissue types can be damaged due to age, injuries and degenerative changes. Because of poor blood supply and limited collagen synthesis, tendons and ligaments heal slowly on their own. They may never recover their original strength or endurance.
Despite this, nerve supply is superior in these sites to other body parts. A high-functioning nerve network relays essential information such as ligament function, stretching, muscle tension and body position in movement and at rest.
These two properties make tendons and ligaments a common pain generator. Even minimal structural damage triggers chronic muscle spasms and discomfort. Pain can often radiate to arms and legs, resembling severe radicular pain.
While the exact mechanism of pain control behind prolotherapy isn't fully understood, researchers speculate that it relieves symptoms by reducing the effects of stretched and irritated intra-ligament nerve endings.
Prolotherapy is appropriate for patients with ligamentous laxity. You can make this diagnosis through a complete history, physical exam and provocative tests.3,4,7,8Imaging studies can help confirm the diagnosis.
Patients with ligamentous laxity often exhibit a history of chronic joint or spine pain that's exacerbated by physical activity. The pain may be a result of acute or chronic injury or a cumulative trauma disorder.
Patients may have realized limited therapeutic effect from simple analgesics. They often demonstrate limited response to physical therapy or chiropractic manipulations-these treatments may even worsen the symptoms. A physical exam often reveals tender focal areas over the painful site. X-ray imaging may not show the ligaments, but they're essential to rule out other sources of pain or limited range of motion.
Because prolotherapy doesn't use artificial substances or medications, it's a safe modality with no adverse effects. Any local or generalized side effects are minimal and self-resolving. Scar tissue doesn't form as a result of the injections, and new tissue is smooth, strong, flexible and highly functional. Additional research shows that prolotherapy may dissolve post-surgical scars, rejuvenate poorly differentiated scar tissue and promote intracellular collagen synthesis.
Prolotherapy often produces a burst of energy and feelings of euphoria. While this phenomenon is difficult to explain scientifically, some experts speculate that the skin and soft tissue penetration of prolotherapy releases endorphins and other bioactive substances that lead to a "natural high." Others claim that mood enhancement results from induced inflammation from the injection material.
TYPICAL TREATMENT
Prolotherapy is usually scheduled in the morning. This gives a patient time to recuperate after the injections.
A typical treatment session involves 20 to 30 injections of proliferative solution to the tendons and ligaments of the affected area. The low back typically requires more injections-often as much as 50 on each side.
After positioning the patient on the table and sterilizing the injection area with alcohol or iodine, prep the area with a local anesthetic. Most physicians mark bony prominences, attachments of tendons and ligaments, and tendon sheaths.
Most U.S. physicians use the Hackett-Hemwell technique of injections.1Experienced practitioners develop their own modifications, but the principles of injection remain constant-because you must inject the bony-tendinous attachments or the tendon sheath, never inject the solution if you don't feel the bone. This ensures the safety of the procedure, since you're not penetrating essential blood vessels or the pleural cavity.
Typical prolotherapy sessions last from 30 to 45 minutes. Back and neck injections take about 1 hour.1,3-4
Post-injection pain is often well-tolerated by the patient and can be controlled by simple analgesics. Discourage anti-inflammatory medications for 48 hours after treatment, as they may interrupt the localized aseptic inflammation process.
Good pain control is typically achieved after several prolotherapy sessions. Some patients respond well to a single session, especially when the injection is administered to smaller joints.
Other patients, such as the elderly, patients with chronic degenerative spine changes, physical laborers, professional dancers and athletes, may require 2 to 3 treatments, or as many as 8. As healing progresses, you can decrease the number of injections.
If prolotherapy doesn't yield quick results and pain continues, frustration for a patient may set in. Avoid this situation by setting reasonable expectations.
The collagen growth required to stabilize the joint differs from patient to patient, so it's difficult to predict a timeline for full symptom resolution. It's important for clinicians to remain patient and continue treatments for maximum benefits.
Prolotherapy is not a panacea. By itself, it may not be sufficient to eliminate tendonous pain. But when combined with physical therapy, topical anesthetics, medication, manipulations and acupuncture, prolotherapy is a valuable addition to your integrative pain management approach. It's time to give this safe and long-respected method a second look.
For a list of references and resources, go to ADVANCE for Physical Therapy & Rehab Medicine and click on the references toolbar.
Physician's Desk is created in conjunction with the American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation (AAPM&R). For information about joining AAPM&R, a specialty organization for PM&R physicians, visit the Web site at AAPM&R - American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation or call (312) 464-9700.

Elena Polukhin, MD, PhD, is a board-certified physiatrist and medical director of Medical Rehabilitation Consultants in Maplewood, Minn.
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hey pride, here is an article my doctor published on prolotherapy. i posted it over at rx a while back, and hopefully someone over here can benefit from it as well...(i didn't get my torn bicep fixed, instead i've been getting prolotherapy on the bicep tendons, with some success. its really great for tendonitis

heres the article...
A Shot at Relief

Often misunderstood, prolotherapy may deserve a closer look


Elena Polukhin, MD, PhD

Posted on: November 11, 2008
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Vol. 17 • Issue 11 • Page 19
Physician's Desk Pain management has changed drastically over the last 10 years. No longer content to just "live with it" or be passed off to an infinite number of specialists, consumers are taking control of their conditions. And they're increasingly reluctant to elect expensive pain medications and unproven, invasive surgeries.
Today's patients want safer, effective alternatives that bring long-lasting symptom relief.
I can't imagine operating a comprehensive pain management clinic without offering prolotherapy. I've seen this modality work wonders on general pain, such as fibromyalgia, migraines, myofascial pain and reflex sympathetic dystrophy, as well as specific joint pains such as temporomandibular joint discomfort, arthritis, carpal tunnel syndrome and tendinitis.
Prolotherapy has also been proven successful in reducing overuse syndromes and pain associated with injuries, such as meniscal tears, ligament sprains, herniated discs, spondylolisthesis and multiple sports injuries.
Recently, physicians have pushed the boundaries of what's possible with this modality, and are using it for hip dislocations, plantar fasciitis, rheumatoid arthritis, impotence, depression, alcoholism, drug addiction and AIDS-related neuropathy.
Yet despite its potential, prolotherapy isn't embraced by mainstream Western medicine. What is prolotherapy and why has it generated so much debate?
BEHIND THE TECHNIQUE
Variants of prolotherapy have existed for many centuries. Hipsyntherolpocrates was said to stick hot pokers into torn shoulder joints to reduce pain and speed healing.
While modern methods have advanced, the concept remains the same. By stimulating the body's natural aseptic inflammatory process, prolotherapy triggers self-repair mechanisms and promotes the body's innate ability to heal.1Prolotherapy involves injecting proliferant subsyntherolsyntherolsyntherolsyntherolsyntherolstances such as dex-syntherolsyntherolsyntherol
trose, phenol and ethanol to the fibro-osseous junction-the attachment site between ligasyntherolments, tendons and bones.2-4This triggers a local aseptic inflammation that increases blood flow to the area. Increased nutrients stimulate fibroblast activity, collagen growth and the synthesis of bioactive substances, naturally rejuvenating the tissue.

Prolotherapy relies on the hypothesis that bodily pain is caused primarily by ligamentous laxity (enthesopathy). Because painful muscle spasms are secondary, and appear as late sequelae, restoring the body's damaged tendon structure must take place before muscle spasms and trigger point pain can subside. This theory has been widely accepted in Europe and Olympic sports medicine circles.5-8Ligaments are the structural rubber bands that hold bones in place. Tendons connect muscles to bones. Both tissue types can be damaged due to age, injuries and degenerative changes. Because of poor blood supply and limited collagen synthesis, tendons and ligaments heal slowly on their own. They may never recover their original strength or endurance.
Despite this, nerve supply is superior in these sites to other body parts. A high-functioning nerve network relays essential information such as ligament function, stretching, muscle tension and body position in movement and at rest.
These two properties make tendons and ligaments a common pain generator. Even minimal structural damage triggers chronic muscle spasms and discomfort. Pain can often radiate to arms and legs, resembling severe radicular pain.
While the exact mechanism of pain control behind prolotherapy isn't fully understood, researchers speculate that it relieves symptoms by reducing the effects of stretched and irritated intra-ligament nerve endings.
Prolotherapy is appropriate for patients with ligamentous laxity. You can make this diagnosis through a complete history, physical exam and provocative tests.3,4,7,8Imaging studies can help confirm the diagnosis.
Patients with ligamentous laxity often exhibit a history of chronic joint or spine pain that's exacerbated by physical activity. The pain may be a result of acute or chronic injury or a cumulative trauma disorder.
Patients may have realized limited therapeutic effect from simple analgesics. They often demonstrate limited response to physical therapy or chiropractic manipulations-these treatments may even worsen the symptoms. A physical exam often reveals tender focal areas over the painful site. X-ray imaging may not show the ligaments, but they're essential to rule out other sources of pain or limited range of motion.
Because prolotherapy doesn't use artificial substances or medications, it's a safe modality with no adverse effects. Any local or generalized side effects are minimal and self-resolving. Scar tissue doesn't form as a result of the injections, and new tissue is smooth, strong, flexible and highly functional. Additional research shows that prolotherapy may dissolve post-surgical scars, rejuvenate poorly differentiated scar tissue and promote intracellular collagen synthesis.
Prolotherapy often produces a burst of energy and feelings of euphoria. While this phenomenon is difficult to explain scientifically, some experts speculate that the skin and soft tissue penetration of prolotherapy releases endorphins and other bioactive substances that lead to a "natural high." Others claim that mood enhancement results from induced inflammation from the injection material.
TYPICAL TREATMENT
Prolotherapy is usually scheduled in the morning. This gives a patient time to recuperate after the injections.
A typical treatment session involves 20 to 30 injections of proliferative solution to the tendons and ligaments of the affected area. The low back typically requires more injections-often as much as 50 on each side.
After positioning the patient on the table and sterilizing the injection area with alcohol or iodine, prep the area with a local anesthetic. Most physicians mark bony prominences, attachments of tendons and ligaments, and tendon sheaths.
Most U.S. physicians use the Hackett-Hemwell technique of injections.1Experienced practitioners develop their own modifications, but the principles of injection remain constant-because you must inject the bony-tendinous attachments or the tendon sheath, never inject the solution if you don't feel the bone. This ensures the safety of the procedure, since you're not penetrating essential blood vessels or the pleural cavity.
Typical prolotherapy sessions last from 30 to 45 minutes. Back and neck injections take about 1 hour.1,3-4
Post-injection pain is often well-tolerated by the patient and can be controlled by simple analgesics. Discourage anti-inflammatory medications for 48 hours after treatment, as they may interrupt the localized aseptic inflammation process.
Good pain control is typically achieved after several prolotherapy sessions. Some patients respond well to a single session, especially when the injection is administered to smaller joints.
Other patients, such as the elderly, patients with chronic degenerative spine changes, physical laborers, professional dancers and athletes, may require 2 to 3 treatments, or as many as 8. As healing progresses, you can decrease the number of injections.
If prolotherapy doesn't yield quick results and pain continues, frustration for a patient may set in. Avoid this situation by setting reasonable expectations.
The collagen growth required to stabilize the joint differs from patient to patient, so it's difficult to predict a timeline for full symptom resolution. It's important for clinicians to remain patient and continue treatments for maximum benefits.
Prolotherapy is not a panacea. By itself, it may not be sufficient to eliminate tendonous pain. But when combined with physical therapy, topical anesthetics, medication, manipulations and acupuncture, prolotherapy is a valuable addition to your integrative pain management approach. It's time to give this safe and long-respected method a second look.
For a list of references and resources, go to ADVANCE for Physical Therapy & Rehab Medicine and click on the references toolbar.
Physician's Desk is created in conjunction with the American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation (AAPM&R). For information about joining AAPM&R, a specialty organization for PM&R physicians, visit the Web site at AAPM&R - American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation or call (312) 464-9700.

Elena Polukhin, MD, PhD, is a board-certified physiatrist and medical director of Medical Rehabilitation Consultants in Maplewood, Minn.
Interesting read! Thanks for sharing bro!
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a lot of great info. thanks a ton to bigA you really know your stuff and pride for getting me to look at this article that i somehow missed. I am still going to give it some thought but 14.4" calves on a 225lb frame at 5'7" under 10%bf is definately not getting it done. this might be my only option but i will try to train them harder. started hitting plyometrics so i will see how that does. bigA if you could chime in on my situation i would be thankful.
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calves

Check this thread out.
This guy was able to keep 2 inches after his seo cycle... But he also went up to 4.5ml per head (ouch)
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I think you linked the wrong thread in your post..
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What about Swess Pharma?

Hi guys,
If you follow this link:
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They have the product named "Synthobolic Pump-N-Pose", which they claim to be:
1- Originally invented by the actual creator of Esik Clean
2- Sterile
3-very effective as it is the 3rd generation of the product
it costs 62 USD for bottle with an offer of Buy 2 get 1 free which means 3 bottles for 120 usd.

BIG A, we need your consultation here,do u know anything about it? shall i go on & buy it?
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