Help with PEDs for grappling

pickapeck · Aug 20, 2023

juggy38 said:
I get more joint pain from primo than masteron on a mg/mg basis.

I’ve tried to grapple on test/primo and everything hurts. And yes my primo is primo. I think I’m obliterating E2 with primo. Hence why I like a little masteron. It makes me more aggressive, as I’m pretty mild mannered.

or I might just be old

You have to get the ratio right or you will feel like you took to much AI. Again, the more you push the dose in a grappling sport the worse it gets including joints. Juggy looks like you found the combo that works for you in Masteron/Test.

heroish · Aug 20, 2023

I think you have had great advice on the anabolics.

I think the only thing missing is some responsible insulin use. If you use 4 iu of humalog post workout with some carbs (40g +) + protein it greatly benefits recovery.

This is not about body building and growing huge. Small doses of insulin are very powerful at aiding the body to recover. I wouldn’t experiment pre workout.

And yes for the majority of people it is very hard to go wrong with 4iu. Don’t be tempted to use more.

dfresh333 · Aug 20, 2023

My staple for grappling was about 300 to 400mgs test, 500 primo and 2iu gh. Now because dht cause joint issues I enjoy 600 to 750 test.

One drug I was really impressed with precomp was injectable superdrol. Got brutally strong and recovery was through the roof. I want to day I did somewhere in the 15mg a day range.

What you're describing with your elbows will be a real problem....I hope it doesn't develop for you the way it did for me, but those chronic overuse injuries will put a real hold on your training. Bpc can really help the tendinitis, but didn't do much for actual joint pain at elbow. This was main reason I stopped competing as heavy every day training basically left my arm crippled all day and night.

Big Dave Smith · Aug 21, 2023

heroish said:
I think you have had great advice on the anabolics.

I think the only thing missing is some responsible insulin use. If you use 4 iu of humalog post workout with some carbs (40g +) + protein it greatly benefits recovery.

This is not about body building and growing huge. Small doses of insulin are very powerful at aiding the body to recover. I wouldn’t experiment pre workout.

And yes for the majority of people it is very hard to go wrong with 4iu. Don’t be tempted to use more.

Victor Conte prescribed insulin and GH to Tim Montgomery and most of his athletes. It’s definitely an overlooked drug.

gains4000 · Aug 21, 2023

My friend likes these compounds for combat sports:

Test
Boldenone
Halotestin
Anavar
Tbol
EPO
HGH

MR. BMJ · Aug 21, 2023

How about a gram of test with 50mg of dbol and 50mg of anadrol and just swing for the fences for about 30 seconds?

juggy38 · Aug 21, 2023

Big Dave Smith said:
Victor Conte prescribed insulin and GH to Tim Montgomery and most of his athletes. It’s definitely an overlooked drug.

Agreed that the insulin+GH pathway is extremely overlooked as PEDs. Even beginning bodybuilders would probably do better with test+gh+insulin instead of being like…”oh I want to add something crazy like tren or drol to my 2nd or third cycle”

People forget Grappling is all about recovery so you can get more mat time in and not fall apart.

Last year I was breaking at every seam. Elbow pain, supraspinatus strain, strained MCL….I was damn near an invalid

KillerStack · Aug 21, 2023

heroish said:
I think you have had great advice on the anabolics.

I think the only thing missing is some responsible insulin use. If you use 4 iu of humalog post workout with some carbs (40g +) + protein it greatly benefits recovery.

This is not about body building and growing huge. Small doses of insulin are very powerful at aiding the body to recover. I wouldn’t experiment pre workout.

And yes for the majority of people it is very hard to go wrong with 4iu. Don’t be tempted to use more.

Big Dave Smith said:
Victor Conte prescribed insulin and GH to Tim Montgomery and most of his athletes. It’s definitely an overlooked drug.

Perhaps it was Milos who was whispering in Victor's ear haha. Milos was involved with some of these guys through Victor iirc.

If I recall correctly some of the BALCO athletes got 3iu, and I think post-workout. However, imo it would be very hard to measure if this "did" anything, even after a long time. You can go by subjective feeling of course but otherwise how would you know it's working or helping your case?

There are some old Russian writeups on insulin use in athletics, and iirc they sometimes added like a single IU of insulin to a regimen. I think it was to supplement some perceived "deficiency" or something. But again, kind of hard to know if this is actually doing anything measurable, you know what I mean?

I support the idea regardless lol.

heroish · Aug 21, 2023

KillerStack said:
Perhaps it was Milos who was whispering in Victor's ear haha. Milos was involved with some of these guys through Victor iirc.

If I recall correctly some of the BALCO athletes got 3iu, and I think post-workout. However, imo it would be very hard to measure if this "did" anything, even after a long time. You can go by subjective feeling of course but otherwise how would you know it's working or helping your case?

There are some old Russian writeups on insulin use in athletics, and iirc they sometimes added like a single IU of insulin to a regimen. I think it was to supplement some perceived "deficiency" or something. But again, kind of hard to know if this is actually doing anything measurable, you know what I mean?

I support the idea regardless lol.

When you are on it long term and suddenly stop you know.

I now use year round insulin + gh pre workout and the intensity, recovery even on lower calories is night and day.

In this person’s case, and given the activities, insulin + gh post workout will definitely have an improvement to recovery.

If he did this for a while and wanted to push it further he could add 3-5iu insulin at breakfast on the most intense days.

Once you try it, it’s hard to go back

Anthony80 · Aug 21, 2023

lycan venom said:
Vet on Anasci and BJJ mat roller.

Test: any test and dose you can handle
DHT: anavar to loose weight or winstrol for strength or masterone if your bf % is low enough.. dbol or adrol for strength + possible bloat

Major warning.. 19nor : only NPP or Deca aka Nandro because Tren will kill your cardio leaving you breathing heavy even if you use ephedrine or clen. Either way you may get ED issues, so use 5mg cialis for that muscle blood pump or viagra for the for sure busting a nutt times.

Other than that, you don't need other compounds. Sure you could use EQ or Primo but you are better off with the aforementioned. Hit all 3 receptors if you are intermidiate to advanced and lift to prep for comp like Andre Galvao or Gordon Ryan..

Noob-ish... use test and var or winnie and eat clean for lean muscle and better cardio to not gas out while rolling.

Also.. be mindful of RHABDOMYOLYSIS... I learned the hard way and ended up with a 7 day hospital stay and on heart meds the past 2 years. I pushed myself too hard prepping for npc and panam.

What dosage of viagra do you recommend if decide not to use cialis ?

TheOtherOne55 · Aug 21, 2023

Kikkel is a nice guy but a bullshit artist. Too many BBers have left working with him so his main push is more “athletes” now. Even then, his posts are all smoke. Too many insane case study transformations…told thru his words, not the client’s. First sign of, “realllly?” Not one client chiming in backing up his amazing results or reversals. He gets like 2 comments and a handful of likes per post. Sinking ship.

cmryan · Aug 21, 2023

Performance Based said:
Afternoon mate -

The pain you are experiencing, what is the triggering movement/pattern? I am on the Muay Thai side (very little jiu jitsu experience) - let me preface with this.

I separate explosiveness and strength heavily and focus on acceleration so to speak when I am coming into a fight. The ability to rapidly contract a muscle group has a very different neurological drive than moving weight heavily and has worked a bit better for me than traditional oly lifting. Can you share some of your programming?

A big thing guys do, especially from the enhanced community, guys will do 100% of program A and 100% of program B combining two different training pedagogies for 200% output. Even with all this shit, we are but mere mortals. When was the last time you had a deload with the gym sessions?

Also
1) How far out are you from your competition?
2) Weight and weight class you want to come into?

If you are an explosive wrestler I would highly recommend EPO at 500-1,000IU Mon-Fri. Lactate be damned but it seems to have a buffering effect on lactate. My top end performance increases in all sincerity by approximately 15-20% when I run EPO.

I have a full log of my prep for Muay Thai Worlds which unfortunately fell through but you can see how I arranged everything.

Would you suggest smaller daily doses (or M-F) instead of 2-3 larger doses even if equaling the same total weekly amount?

goback2013 · Aug 22, 2023

heroish said:
When you are on it long term and suddenly stop you know.

I now use year round insulin + gh pre workout and the intensity, recovery even on lower calories is night and day.

In this person’s case, and given the activities, insulin + gh post workout will definitely have an improvement to recovery.

If he did this for a while and wanted to push it further he could add 3-5iu insulin at breakfast on the most intense days.

Once you try it, it’s hard to go back

I'm up to trying something like this. What brand/type of insulin?
Is this something you can just walk into Walmart and buy ? I heard there's certain types of insulin you can buy without a script.

gains4000 · Aug 22, 2023

goback2013 said:
I'm up to trying something like this. What brand/type of insulin?
Is this something you can just walk into Walmart and buy ? I heard there's certain types of insulin you can buy without a script.

The only insulin you can get without a script is Insulin-R. It’s available at Walmart. You can’t get Lantus or Humalog OTC.

Performance Based · Aug 22, 2023

cmryan said:
Would you suggest smaller daily doses (or M-F) instead of 2-3 larger doses even if equaling the same total weekly amount?

If one is to use in a pulsatile nature I would use early the morning of training on a high output day. Realistically no one is going balls to the walls more than 3x per week.

Days with the highest lactate / energy needs.

Edit: Takes around 1-1.5 weeks for hematocrit to drop after last inject so good to go there.

goback2013 · Aug 22, 2023

gains4000 said:
The only insulin you can get without a script is Insulin-R. It’s available at Walmart. You can’t get Lantus or Humalog OTC.

I'm still researching but is the Walmart version not applicable to performance enhancement?

goback2013 · Aug 22, 2023

Performance Based said:
If one is to use in a pulsatile nature I would use early the morning of training on a high output day. Realistically no one is going balls to the walls more than 3x per week.

Days with the highest lactate / energy needs.

Edit: Takes around 1-1.5 weeks for hematocrit to drop after last inject so good to go there.

Do you use this insulin protocol guys are talking about for recovery?

Performance Based · Aug 22, 2023

goback2013 said:
Do you use this insulin protocol guys are talking about for recovery?

In all sincerity no. I tried the GH for a while and felt my insulin sensitivity start getting out of whack which would just crush me both in the gym and at work. My diet is also a hodgepodge at best when no prepping for an event. Today's dinner was 7 sushi rolls post training.

I tried it years ago very briefly (like 2010) when I was overseas and just needed a boost and I gained so much adipose tissue not being on a structured diet.