If you had sleep apnea...

Shawn Cooke · Dec 10, 2005

when do you train? or do you just give up on everything? I'm real sick of it, i can't concentrate, im always moody, irritable, depressed. yeah i think i have some mental issues i dont know but maybe it STEMS from the sleep apnea, maybe i have sleep apnea BECAUSE of the way my mind is, i dont know. i fall asleep at work in the office like i MUST do it otherwise i just can't function. i really almost can NEVER function throughout the day. as SOON as i wake up, i wanna fall back asleep, i am groggy when i get up. COFFEE? LOL i can now fall asleep after drinking coffee. if i drink like way too much, i will just be up but i will be extremely paranoid, nervous, my heart races, im anxious, thats why i dont use ephedrine. at the same time, i STILL feel fatigued while up. its a very disgusting way to live, like everything seems like a chore. the simplest things are a task and real tasks seem impossibl., im almost sure i have it. i havent got it checked because i dont have health insurance because well...i dont have the money to pay for it. im willing to buy the CPAP mask off the black market somewhere.

Adrenaline Rush · Dec 10, 2005

i have had a sleep study done and was diagnosed with sleep apnea, mine is verry mild, and i was in a similar predicament with funds not available, if i remember correctly the study itself was $200, after that you would have to be titrated i would imagine it would be a similar fee, then you'd have to buy the cpap machine (not sure how much that costs)...but masks can go for under $100...

cpap hasnt made me feel too much better because my apnea is very very mild..i just train when i have the most energy which is at night, stimulants help but really can make the situation worse.....if i were you i would do whatever i have to do to get it checked out, left untreated sleep apnea can lead to a whole host of health problems...

Shawn Cooke · Dec 10, 2005

and mental problems. i think i had it all my life and left it untreated, thats why im so fucked up in my head, always pissed off, and i get anxious and nervous. im sick of it.

i think im gonna train at night but thats when im real tired too. im more tired in the morning because i have had no food, limbs are like brittle. i will only be training at 11pm twice/week because the other night i will train around 8pm. i train only 3 days/week or i wont do it. i have to work, its hard to do anything with sleep apnea dammit. i think thats why my whole life seems fucked up in my mind.

Adrenaline Rush said:
i have had a sleep study done and was diagnosed with sleep apnea, mine is verry mild, and i was in a similar predicament with funds not available, if i remember correctly the study itself was $200, after that you would have to be titrated i would imagine it would be a similar fee, then you'd have to buy the cpap machine (not sure how much that costs)...but masks can go for under $100...

cpap hasnt made me feel too much better because my apnea is very very mild..i just train when i have the most energy which is at night, stimulants help but really can make the situation worse.....if i were you i would do whatever i have to do to get it checked out, left untreated sleep apnea can lead to a whole host of health problems...

Adrenaline Rush · Dec 10, 2005

Shawn Cooke said:
i think thats why my whole life seems fucked up in my mind.

its always dark before the sun rises,, get everything checked out...keep the faith...

Shawn Cooke · Dec 10, 2005

i will get it checked out...im just gonna get health insurance but i aint waiting a month or two to get a doctor. forgot to mention im only 23.

Tom · Dec 11, 2005

CPAP

I have seen CPAP machines on ebay from time to time. If you can afford one of the ebay machines maybe you could get a mask from a friend or relative who works in the health care field. Until you get your sleep study done you could start at a pressure of 8 cm and not do yourself any harm.

Pushinw8s · Dec 12, 2005

Surgery

A couple of the guys I work with had sleep apnea, and they had the corrective surgery. They swear by it. They say it has improved their quality of life 10 fold. They also said they didn't realize how bad off they were until they had the surgery and the changes it did for them. I think your health insurance will cover it or at least a lot of it.

cryptasm · Dec 12, 2005

Shawn, search the web, you can find cpap machines cheap...there are alot of places that sell em..I don't belive you need a script to purchase one...Tom mentioned you could strat with a pressure of 8cm..I don't see any harm in that..give it a shot wadda ya got to lose...
You could alos try some Provigil/modafinal its a stimulant but not like amphetamine or anything like that..comes on slow and no speedy feeling..helps me whan I have a bad day...I been on cpap for 5 mos. its helped some but its not like a miracle happened and all of a sudden I got energy..
Good luck man

gravityfighter · Dec 12, 2005

Hey Bro, I've got it, I know what your going through...I'm set at twenty...thats what the sleep study does...it tells the doctor when you stop appneaing.Without knowing your setting you are just wasting your time.Bro,sleep apnea is nothing to fool with,everything from high blood pressure,stroke to death...do what you gotta do to get it treated...the lack of oxygen from choking all night is why you feel so bad the doc told me it takes hours to get the levels back to normal after you wake. Man after looking at the film of me choking its a wonder I'm still alive...held my breath almost two minutes one time...scary shit to watch yourself sleeping & choking and you don't even know it!
Good luck,
GF

Shawn Cooke · Dec 13, 2005

thanks guys. i will get it checked out for sure.

mikeheavypecs · Dec 14, 2005

man, I have a CPAP. My sleep doctor says that he sees alot of bodybuilders, football players etc. Hey even says that there is a theory that Test Inj can cause sleep apnea. I use the CPAP for about 4 hours a night, but I already have alot more energy for working out. ALSO, it is very critical to have the recuperation that sleep afords and BBers having sleep apnea have a hard time gaining mass because of essentially a lack of sleep.

Mike

W8killa · Dec 17, 2005

this is going to sound crazy but I got great results from sleeping on my side. I broke my nose a while back and developed sleep apnea after my cartilidge in my nose calcified into bone. My wife is a nurse and while in school she learned a little about the condition. I used to sleep on my back always and switched to sleeping on my side and it worked wonders! I know it sounds crazy but it helped. try it if you sleep on your back. Also, a cocktail of ZMA and the newly released L-tryptophan supplement, melatonin (very small Amounts) work better than any sleep med you could take without the sides.
Good luck

Shawn Cooke · Jan 9, 2006

mikeheavypecs said:
man, I have a CPAP. My sleep doctor says that he sees alot of bodybuilders, football players etc. Hey even says that there is a theory that Test Inj can cause sleep apnea. I use the CPAP for about 4 hours a night, but I already have alot more energy for working out. ALSO, it is very critical to have the recuperation that sleep afords and BBers having sleep apnea have a hard time gaining mass because of essentially a lack of sleep.

Mike

wow sleep apnea making it hard to gain mass, no wonder i gain so slow. but i already got with a pro nutrionist for BB but i dont have health insurance yet to get a sleep study. where can i get one done without insurance? im worried somehow someone's going to get my medical records and see my gear history or should i just get insurance at another hospital and they wont see that?

cryptasm · Jan 9, 2006

Shawn, whatever you gatta do get it done, Im feel ing better since i started on mine..also I got Xyrem to fall asleep and .make my sleep deeper it helps alot..also got provigil from the Doc. it helps wake me up when I am having a tired day..get insurance if you can ..its always good to have it..
good luck...

Pekkerwood · Jan 9, 2006

help

Shawn:

The sleep apnea can cause major changes. For best results, fitting, etc, the sleep study and a doctors care is best, however the machines are readily available from a number of vendors, however many need to be set based on your sleep study tests. To solve this, some vendors have "auto-sensing" machines that constantly monitor your breathing and adjust accordingly. People have used them with no sleep study performed. They cost around $700. You can search under google groups and get a lot of information concerning them on the alt.sleepdisorder group.

Pekkerwood

Ashop · Jan 9, 2006

Shawn Cooke said:
when do you train? or do you just give up on everything? I'm real sick of it, i can't concentrate, im always moody, irritable, depressed. yeah i think i have some mental issues i dont know but maybe it STEMS from the sleep apnea, maybe i have sleep apnea BECAUSE of the way my mind is, i dont know. i fall asleep at work in the office like i MUST do it otherwise i just can't function. i really almost can NEVER function throughout the day. as SOON as i wake up, i wanna fall back asleep, i am groggy when i get up. COFFEE? LOL i can now fall asleep after drinking coffee. if i drink like way too much, i will just be up but i will be extremely paranoid, nervous, my heart races, im anxious, thats why i dont use ephedrine. at the same time, i STILL feel fatigued while up. its a very disgusting way to live, like everything seems like a chore. the simplest things are a task and real tasks seem impossibl., im almost sure i have it. i havent got it checked because i dont have health insurance because well...i dont have the money to pay for it. im willing to buy the CPAP mask off the black market somewhere.

I would save up some cash and see a specialist in this field.

Shawn Cooke · Jan 10, 2006

i sleep on my side all the time. fuck this. im getting health insurance tomorrow, what is the cost and what care provider is good? i dont know shit about hospitals but ill tell you im young, 23, and one of the hospitals know my gear history so ill juice avoid them. shit ill carry my CPAP machine everywhere i go if i have to. trust me, you dont wanna be miserable like me with this sleep apnea. i think i had this all my life because ive always been like this. and now im real sick of it, it gets worse as you age i hear, and that seems to be very true. i didnt even get a sleep study done but from my research, i BET you i will come back telling you i have it.

allbeef · Jan 10, 2006

Bro

These guys are right on. Why so down. You honestly sound like you need an antidepressent. I don't mean that negatively.

If you are cycling it is going to be worse for all the reasons speculated above. I think it is smooth muscle in your neck that gets enlarged and you are more prone to obstruct.

I would bet it is obstructive apnea as opposed to central which means you should respond well to CPAP either nasal or full face. If you can get a CPAP machine and mask start with like 6cmh20 of CPap for a couple nights then try 8cmh20 of Cpap for a coupl and be willing to go up to 10 or 12 if you are a really big guy. If you want to wait till you are off cycle then get a sleep study that makes sense to.

AB

Shawn Cooke · Jan 10, 2006

im not on any gear and havent been since sept 12, 2005. im also not a big guy at all.

allbeef said:
These guys are right on. Why so down. You honestly sound like you need an antidepressent. I don't mean that negatively.

If you are cycling it is going to be worse for all the reasons speculated above. I think it is smooth muscle in your neck that gets enlarged and you are more prone to obstruct.

I would bet it is obstructive apnea as opposed to central which means you should respond well to CPAP either nasal or full face. If you can get a CPAP machine and mask start with like 6cmh20 of CPap for a couple nights then try 8cmh20 of Cpap for a coupl and be willing to go up to 10 or 12 if you are a really big guy. If you want to wait till you are off cycle then get a sleep study that makes sense to.

AB