High blood pressure

[diemz]

Do you guys get on meds while on cycle - especially with tren?

I've been running around 150/80-85 and sometimes go as high as 165/85. Taking all sorts of OTC stuff but thinking about going to the doc Monday. Running adex as .5 ED right now.

 

[djdizzy]

Dropping my test from 500 to 250 a week helped alot while using 200mg of tren e. I also use Cialis at 5-10mg a day for blood pressure control.

 

[JonnyO]

What are you taking right now?

I find keeping bodyfat in check as well as some post workout cardio, 15-20 mins goes a long ways. Obviously diet as well.

 

[diemz]

I'm running test e 300mg/wk and Tren E at 500mg/wk. Cialas helps with BP? I have no sexual issues, but if it helps....

 

[JonnyO]

Most likely the Tren E.

Not sure about the Cialis, I was under the impression something like that acts on the right ventricle, if the left is overloaded theres a greater overload of the heart and cardiac output is reduced because oxygen needs increased. I may be off here but thats my thoughts on it, and personally look for other ways than trying to medicate for it.

 

[Gandolfo]

I have a scrip for Metoprolol and take it year round on cycle and off. For me it keeps bp in check.

 

[maldorf]

See a doc and get on some meds if youre going to be running cycles like that for long because it can cause damage, Much damage is reversable later on if you get some, this occurs when you get off and go clean for an extended period of time and you bp drops. Youre best off getting a script to take when youre on cycle, and when youre off you might be able to drop it once your bp goes down. Problem is once you have been cycling for awhile many are tempted to either just stay on all the time or blast and cruise and even when just cruisng the bp can get higher.

 

[GetYucked]

I know how you feel. I'm doing 30 mins cardio, bunch of OTC stuff, and test E/tbol.. running ~142/82 or so all the time. Doctor said I wasn't high enough for meds.

 

[cra16]

Is it the actual blood pressure or the increase in blood pressure thats dangerous. My blood pressure goes from the athletic range when off to the normal range when on, is it still a problem.

Yes it seems like a silly question but this stuff seems to constantly evolve.

 

[maldorf]

What the authorities say

Is it the actual blood pressure or the increase in blood pressure thats dangerous. My blood pressure goes from the athletic range when off to the normal range when on, is it still a problem.

Yes it seems like a silly question but this stuff seems to constantly evolve.

Here is a link that shows what the world health oraganiztion and the US National Institute of Health have as guidelines:
Healthy Blood Pressure Chart - Low Carb


"Normal: Systolic under 140, Diastolic under 90
Borderline: Systolic under 160, Diastolic under 95
High Blood Pressure: Systolic 160 or above, Diastolic 95 or above

US National Institute of Health
The National Institute of Health (NIH) governs health related issues for the United States.

Optimal: Systolic Less than 120, Diastolic Less than 80
Normal: Systolic Less than 130, Diastolic Less than 85
High-normal: Systolic Less than 140, Diastolic Less than 90
Mild Hypertension: Systolic Less than 160, Diastolic Less than 100
Moderate Hypertension: Systolic Less than 180, Diastolic Less than 110
Severe Hypertension: Systolic 180 or more, Diastolic 110 or more "

So for the US they consider anything between 140/90 to 159/99 as mild hypertension and most docs would treat that. If your family is prone to heart disease I think the docs may push to have yours a bit lower than that. Of course if you have heart condition already then its not a good thing to have your BP that high either.

I your BP is within that range or higer then you should definitely see a doc. All of the BP meds Ive taken have no side effects for me with the exception of beta blockers but those dont tend to be prescribed anymore for just hypertension as far as I know. ACE inhbitors and ARBs have/had no bad effects on me, and so to me I would rather take a small dose of that and have my bp more near the mythical 120/80 than up near 135/90 or so. IMO having a pressure a bit higher like that over a lifetime is going to rack up some damage. Anymore they were talking about making a systolic BP of 130 boarderline hypertension.

 

[buck1973]

I'm running test e 300mg/wk and Tren E at 500mg/wk. Cialas helps with BP? I have no sexual issues, but if it helps....

helps with enlarged prostate too.

 

[Ashop]

Do you guys get on meds while on cycle - especially with tren?

I've been running around 150/80-85 and sometimes go as high as 165/85. Taking all sorts of OTC stuff but thinking about going to the doc Monday. Running adex as .5 ED right now.

I need meds on and off cycle. Family genetics. 165/85 is too high brother. Over time it will take a toll on your entire body.

 

[jr123]

Do you guys get on meds while on cycle - especially with tren?

I've been running around 150/80-85 and sometimes go as high as 165/85. Taking all sorts of OTC stuff but thinking about going to the doc Monday. Running adex as .5 ED right now.

1500mg Hawthorne berry will help

 

[Aliendogstar]

I wouldn't get too excited about Hawthorne Berry. I've heard some have had success w/ it but I think there is an equal amount that it didn't do shit for. I would fall in the category of the latter. My doc has me on a starter dose of Hydrochlorothiazide and that has helped bring it down.

 

[GetYucked]

I wouldn't get too excited about Hawthorne Berry. I've heard some have had success w/ it but I think there is an equal amount that it didn't do shit for. I would fall in the category of the latter. My doc has me on a starter dose of Hydrochlorothiazide and that has helped bring it down.

Been on roughly 500 mg of hawthorn last ~2 weeks, nothing so far. Just upped it to 1500 mg to reassess the situation. Adding in garlic and celery seed extract might help, or so I have read.

 

[diemz]

Thanks for all the responses. It's been down in the 130/75 range since yesterday. For what it's worth, I do supplement the following:

2g Hawthorn Berries and this creation from custom capsule:

**broken link removed**

I take two of these daily.

 

[Userat204]

Diemz I would just see a doc if you can, I've tried all the OTC supplements and protocols but eventually my bp starts to creep back up. I was always the guy who thought bp meds were bs and you just needed to fix diet and some cardio, but after several months of even elevated bp, I realized it's ok to use meds and you are better off.

That supplement you are taking twice a day isn't enough to do much. With supps, I still take:
5g fish oil
200mg CoQ10
1250 Hawthorne
750 niacin
2400mg Red Yeast Rice.

Alien I was taking microzide which was plenty to keep me at 120/80 but my doc didn't think about or mention it can fee f blood sugar, mine is low a lot anyway, it messed me up really bad over a few months and I had no idea it could effect it but when getting bg test strips my pharmacist said you shouldn't take microzide. I wish I knew earlier, I passed out while driving a couple times, was falling out at home, work, shaky, sweaty all after eating carbs. So keep an eye on it, most people have zero trouble with it.

Bp isnt to be played with

 

[rtn]

I've had high BP my entire life but have only been on meds for 12 years. I would watch it closely and see a doctor if it creeps up. I have had no side effects from 90 mg nifedipine and 20-40 mg lisinopril daily. They initially did an echocardiogram to check for thickening of the heart wall. Be careful and stay healthy.

 

[Jblack]

I was diagnosed with HBP back in 2009. I have tried a few diff bp pills over the years, but all made me feel weird and off. Lisinopril at 20mg did ok for me, but I needed 40mg a day to do anything, but that gave me panic attacks, which affect 1% of users of the drug (lucky me I guess). Beta-blockers killed my will to live and gave me palpations. The best my bp looked was on Calcium Channel Blockers, but I ended up swelling in my hands and feet..literally looked like balloons at the end of the night. So my cardiologist took me off all my bp meds and with me keeping my bloat and leaner along with daily cardio while watching the salt and eating more potassium my bp is 130 over 75. He is fine with that for the time being. Odd thing is my bp on meds was always generally 127 to 138 over 65 sometimes in the am I was 118 over 55. So after another echo to determine no leaky valves (kinda common with my bone disease) he determined that bp meds perhaps were not a good soultion at this time considering my systolic never really changed.

I say for sure consult with a cardiologist on this one. Your GP will just throw you something and tell you to move on. I had more success with my cardiologist working with me trying to find the "right" drug rather than just the normal answer.

Just my .02

 

[maldorf]

I was diagnosed with HBP back in 2009. I have tried a few diff bp pills over the years, but all made me feel weird and off. Lisinopril at 20mg did ok for me, but I needed 40mg a day to do anything, but that gave me panic attacks, which affect 1% of users of the drug (lucky me I guess). Beta-blockers killed my will to live and gave me palpations. The best my bp looked was on Calcium Channel Blockers, but I ended up swelling in my hands and feet..literally looked like balloons at the end of the night. So my cardiologist took me off all my bp meds and with me keeping my bloat and leaner along with daily cardio while watching the salt and eating more potassium my bp is 130 over 75. He is fine with that for the time being. Odd thing is my bp on meds was always generally 127 to 138 over 65 sometimes in the am I was 118 over 55. So after another echo to determine no leaky valves (kinda common with my bone disease) he determined that bp meds perhaps were not a good soultion at this time considering my systolic never really changed.

I say for sure consult with a cardiologist on this one. Your GP will just throw you something and tell you to move on. I had more success with my cardiologist working with me trying to find the "right" drug rather than just the normal answer.

Just my .02

I agree. See a specialist and get some really good experienced advice. Everyone is different and you need the right guy in your corner. The modern BP meds for the most part of really benign in their side effects for most but in some rare instances like this member can have problems.

What really gets me is how most of us have no problem injecting our bodies with foreign material we buy from under ground labs but when it comes to taking medicine prescribed from a doctor that comes from a US pharm grade manufacturer we balk. Find a good doctor and trust in them.