Shawn Ray- Gurus, Killers & Liars

[FK86]

I think it might be more like they copy and paste it into the email for the client.

Even worse.

 

[Kaladryn]

I am glad someone like Shawn Ray is speaking up and telling the truth. While the athlete does have the ultimate responsibility over their own body too many put 100% trust into these over priced GURUS. I have kept my mouth shut for 8 years about an experience my wife had with one of the individuals mentioned here. My wife turned pro a long time ago after winning the nationals in BB. She wanted to get back in the mix 10 years later and wanted some help. In her former country she had coaches lifting partners but diets and medications were provided by doctors that were paid for by her country. She was constantly monitored. None of that here.

In the 27 years of very high level competition in powerlifting I NEVER had anyone tell me what to do. I did it all myself. Trained with a lot of very good lifters but all they were is training partners. My wife won the nationals the same way with advice from training partners and muscle mags but medical doctors helped with drugs and diet. When she came to the USA she actually worked with one of these big name gurus mentioned, she was 51 years old at the time. I am not going to mention any name but it was a total waste of money and ended up costing us a few $1000 in endocrinologist bills. My wife followed the protocol specifically until it was hard to function in day to day life and was later diagnosed by an endocrinologist with adrenal insufficiency. Took months to recover from that. Never again. Here are the symptoms she had when I finally took her to see an endocrinologists.

• chronic fatigue
• muscle weakness
• loss of appetite
• weight loss
• digestive issues (including abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea)
• low blood pressure
• dizziness/fainting
• mood changes - irritability to depression
• headaches
• cravings for salty foods
• low blood sugar
• trouble sleeping, feeling extremely tired
• night-sweating
• irregular and missed period
• low libido

Her immune system finally dropped to the point she was having throat infections etc weekly.

I still have the protocol that she was given.

Here is part of it:
* Very low calorie, zero carb diet
She was at the gym at 5am doing cardio on an empty stomach 7 days a week for about 1 hour (HIIT/steady state)
(all to be done in the AM on an empty stomach):
25mcg T3 and 40mcg clenbuterol
Also take the following cocktail before all morning cardio sessions:
10mg yohimbine HCL
200mg caffeine
1,000mg l-tyrosine

What we found out from the doctor is continued high levels of stress, poor diet, and over training all lead to adrenal insufficiency. All of the stimulants caused a very high level of stress in the body, low calories and extreme exercise also lead to issues. A GURU/coach seriously needs to be there to recognize this stuff when it starts and this can't be done by email, my wife still takes the blame. Blood tests revealed that my wife's ACTH, cortisol, and aldosterone levels were way off. She was given ACTH at the doctor's office and a couple of other medications (methylprednisolone/ fludrocortisone ) and the rest was stopping all the stimulants, stopping the extreme exercise protocol and adding some calories back into the diet. She also had to add salt and potassium to her diet.

My wife blames herself but in her defense WE BOTH trusted this PRO to give her good advice, especially for the money spent. She wanted very badly to see results for what she paid. My wife won't pussy out and will continue and was very determined to make this work, she put 100% trust and faith in the advice she was given. I was working as a football coach and not home much so it took me a while to finally see things weren't right. I finally talked with her about it and got her to a doctor. It took almost a year to finally get back to feeling normal again. I have been very nice about this and never said anything until today. It happened 8 years ago. While we both accept full responsibility, it is little wonder people are dying following this ridiculous advice. Like Shawn said, these people are dangerous and talking money from people with BAD advice. NO TWO people can do the same protocol and get the same results since we are all different.

Those doses are so light, it's up to the athlete to make sure they are in an optimal state when they start dieting, this includes stress levels, sleep, etc. Honestly, there is nothing even remotely extreme about that protocol.

 

[Berst]

You hope, but what does your gut say?
I've followed drug tested IPF lifters and this kid equals some senior World Champs benches in pure strength at 14 years old. How likely is that? Dad a guy who gives juice advice to pros and amateurs. Mother a multiple time Ms Olympia.

Even with the drugs it is completely mind boggling that he can bench 365 x5. Incredible.

 

[Kaladryn]

Yes and we both take 100% of the blame. Let the buyer be ware. But being a top level competitive athlete in several different sports for most all of my life as well as working with top level athletes I realize that athletes are willing to do what ever it takes to accomplish their goals, many times ignoring common sense. This at times makes us a bit gullible as well as high risk takers all for the sake of winning. Ask yourself, why anyone would step under a squat rack with 1000lbs on a bar and attempt to squat the weight. That's not even sane. One thing goes wrong and your in the hospital all for a $2 trophy. If it weren't for the risk taking and gullibility of athletes to get that edge, the entire supplement industry would not exist. I can't count the number of $$ I have wasted on snake oil in the hopes of being a tiny bit stronger. Of course its buyer beware, but at some point in time the those that are pushing the snake oil need to be exposed. I probably should have come out years ago about this and at least one woman's live might not have been lost.

My wife went IFBB Pro in 1990, she was on some very heavy androgens but was being monitored by medical doctors. She trusted me that this "IFBB Pro" knew what he was talking about. I don't train my wife and certainly don't tell her what to take, how to train or how to diet. Winning the nationals and going pro tells me she has plenty of knowledge. She is also grown woman and not a child that has to be told what to do. If I was the you type guy who tells my wife what to do she would be out the front door long ago. At the time I worked 12 hour+ a day 7 days a week so I hardly knew what was happening in my own house. While we both take full blame, this type of shit has to stop. These so called GURUS need to be held to the same level of accountability as all other professional coaches/trainers of any other sport. While I am now retired I still work in the industry as a professor of kinesiology and would definitely be fired if I gave idiotic advice that is not supported by good conscience, ethics or even science. I had a kid get hurt in a our college gym doing something he was not taught to do and the amount of paperwork, administrative reviews and attorneys I had to deal with were ridiculous. But I had to show I was not negligent. Maybe our GURUS need to be held to the same standard?

As a long time coach, and well respected strength coach and nutritionist I take 100% responsibility for my advice and coaching. I have never had a athlete injured from my advice and coaching in the 25 years I worked. Had I given out advice that caused injury, I would 1. be fired, 2. could be held civilly liable. There are consequences for being irresponsible. 25 years of athletes I trained trusted me 100% with their safety, understanding that I was going to push them to the edge but not get them hurt. For me to be arrogant enough to cause the injury of an athlete and then sit back and say it's YOUR FAULT because you were stupid enough to follow my advice is ridiculous. Most professionals that work as coaches, the job involves yearly training and yearly certification to help avoid injury because in the end you are very definitely liable. As a football coach, if a kids spears another and gets a neck injury, in a law suit the coach will have to prove he taught proper tackling methods and has been certified to coach that skill. There will also be a professional review board who also asks these questions. Most personal trainers now have to provide both certification and liability insurance as well as a educational back ground in the area. Only because so many idiots prior were giving bad advice and the gym owner was getting sued. Maybe what needs to happen is a huge lawsuit needs to be filed and start holding these guys accountable for the cookie cutter training and supplementation plans they are selling. My wife thought she was getting a personalized plan only to find out he gives the same damn plan to everyone to this date. Even I was shock to the point of my mouth being open when I listened to a video earlier taking about this guy. Really, everyone gets the cut and paste job? Talk about fraud! Most all other coaches are held to this same strict standards and its time these so called GURUS are held accountable for what they do to. This is not every going to happen when those that get hurt just walk off and say I should have known better....it my fault.

I just listened to a scathing video by a pro level female BB who called this same coach out. When she told the protocol others were doing HOLY SHIT. it is exactly the same as what my wife did. And we paid lots of money for this cut and paste job? I knew this guy personally and felt I could trust him better that this. I honestly though it was common knowledge in this business that one size doesn't fit all because we are ALL individual and react differently. This guy never gave a shit about the long questionnaire he sent and the questions about health and drugs being used. He give everyone the same fucking plan. This is dishonest and personally I felt like someone I had done some favors for and trusted stabbed me in the wife. Had I known, I would have never put my wife in tough with this guy. So yea it a little personal but I have now disclosed his name. Its not just about 1 guy its about a trend that has happened over the past 15-20 years.

Pro bodybuilding is based on doing illegal drugs, it's still an underground sport even though it has millions of participants, there is absolutely zero coverage of bodybuilding outside of the industry itself because of the drugs. Of course, coaches are going to be underground and almost everything they say will be illegal. You say you are 100% to blame but then say coaches should be 100% responsible?

Bodybuilding coaching used to be very rare and secretive because of the possible repercussions. Clearly what is happening here is that bodybuilding coaching has become so 'mainstream' that people who are not advanced enough in bodybuilding knowledge, specifically regarding contest prep, are now able to acquire and use that knowledge through a coach, the age-old story of "power without discipline." This aspect of Shawn Ray's opinion I agree with.

 

[maldorf]

Pro bodybuilding is based on doing illegal drugs, it's still an underground sport even though it has millions of participants, there is absolutely zero coverage of bodybuilding outside of the industry itself because of the drugs. Of course, coaches are going to be underground and almost everything they say will be illegal. You say you are 100% to blame but then say coaches should be 100% responsible?

Bodybuilding coaching used to be very rare and secretive because of the possible repercussions. Clearly what is happening here is that bodybuilding coaching has become so 'mainstream' that people who are not advanced enough in bodybuilding knowledge, specifically regarding contest prep, are now able to acquire and use that knowledge through a coach, the age-old story of "power without discipline." This aspect of Shawn Ray's opinion I agree with.

Its a bit like putting a novice to the race track into a F1 car and telling them to go get it.

 

[Kaladryn]

The reaction of Shelby was reportedly, "she didn't disclose her health issues." I think it was cancer as well as something else for the woman that died and kicked off this whole thing.

Milos was recently outed for dangerous advice but I think the athlete was unfair. He blamed Milos' 30-50iu of daily insulin for his cardiomyopathy but did not mention the several grams of test as a base as well as the dozen other compounds he took. To think the insulin specifically did that is ridiculous. Milos said he told the guy to cut his doses down to like 400mg EQ and 200mg of test every 4 days. Something like that, don't quote me, but it was LOW.

OTOH Milos has also said that if you want safe go do another sport, bodybuilding is extreme. Milos had several close calls himself, from thyroid, Synthol etc. He even did the plasma expanders Chad and Nasser said they were joking about.

Agreed, I don't even think Milos's slin protocol was that extreme, it was totally reasonable.

Also, the diuretic protocols being used by the top men's coaches are pretty crazy, even the 'safe' coaches like Aceto. Armchair bodybuilders on the internet would shit their pants if they heard them.

As far as I know, there are 2 women who died, every time someone mentions 'some other person who died' they can't give a name? I agree 2 is too many but there is a lot of lying with an agenda going on in these interviews.

 

[Kaladryn]

Its a bit like putting a novice to the race track into a F1 car and telling them to go get it.

Exactly, but imagine being so dumb that you go to a racetrack and rent an F1 car without even knowing if you have the skill or even ability to drive one. This is the direction modern society is going, everyone wants a safety net and thinks they can do anything.

Snowsports is a good example of something this attitude still hasn't touched, you can easily kill or maim yourself at any major ski resort, I see the morons doing it all the time, life-changing injuries happen on an almost daily basis at a busy resort.

Bodybuilding is also an extreme sport.

 

[Elvia1023]

I am glad someone like Shawn Ray is speaking up and telling the truth. While the athlete does have the ultimate responsibility over their own body too many put 100% trust into these over priced GURUS. I have kept my mouth shut for 8 years about an experience my wife had with one of the individuals mentioned here. My wife turned pro a long time ago after winning the nationals in BB. She wanted to get back in the mix 10 years later and wanted some help. In her former country she had coaches lifting partners but diets and medications were provided by doctors that were paid for by her country. She was constantly monitored. None of that here.

In the 27 years of very high level competition in powerlifting I NEVER had anyone tell me what to do. I did it all myself. Trained with a lot of very good lifters but all they were is training partners. My wife won the nationals the same way with advice from training partners and muscle mags but medical doctors helped with drugs and diet. When she came to the USA she actually worked with one of these big name gurus mentioned, she was 51 years old at the time. I am not going to mention any name but it was a total waste of money and ended up costing us a few $1000 in endocrinologist bills. My wife followed the protocol specifically until it was hard to function in day to day life and was later diagnosed by an endocrinologist with adrenal insufficiency. Took months to recover from that. Never again. Here are the symptoms she had when I finally took her to see an endocrinologists.

• chronic fatigue
• muscle weakness
• loss of appetite
• weight loss
• digestive issues (including abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea)
• low blood pressure
• dizziness/fainting
• mood changes - irritability to depression
• headaches
• cravings for salty foods
• low blood sugar
• trouble sleeping, feeling extremely tired
• night-sweating
• irregular and missed period
• low libido

Her immune system finally dropped to the point she was having throat infections etc weekly.

I still have the protocol that she was given.

Here is part of it:
* Very low calorie, zero carb diet
She was at the gym at 5am doing cardio on an empty stomach 7 days a week for about 1 hour (HIIT/steady state)
(all to be done in the AM on an empty stomach):
25mcg T3 and 40mcg clenbuterol
Also take the following cocktail before all morning cardio sessions:
10mg yohimbine HCL
200mg caffeine
1,000mg l-tyrosine

What we found out from the doctor is continued high levels of stress, poor diet, and over training all lead to adrenal insufficiency. All of the stimulants caused a very high level of stress in the body, low calories and extreme exercise also lead to issues. A GURU/coach seriously needs to be there to recognize this stuff when it starts and this can't be done by email, my wife still takes the blame. Blood tests revealed that my wife's ACTH, cortisol, and aldosterone levels were way off. She was given ACTH at the doctor's office and a couple of other medications (methylprednisolone/ fludrocortisone ) and the rest was stopping all the stimulants, stopping the extreme exercise protocol and adding some calories back into the diet. She also had to add salt and potassium to her diet.

My wife blames herself but in her defense WE BOTH trusted this PRO to give her good advice, especially for the money spent. She wanted very badly to see results for what she paid. My wife won't pussy out and will continue and was very determined to make this work, she put 100% trust and faith in the advice she was given. I was working as a football coach and not home much so it took me a while to finally see things weren't right. I finally talked with her about it and got her to a doctor. It took almost a year to finally get back to feeling normal again. I have been very nice about this and never said anything until today. It happened 8 years ago. While we both accept full responsibility, it is little wonder people are dying following this ridiculous advice. Like Shawn said, these people are dangerous and talking money from people with BAD advice. NO TWO people can do the same protocol and get the same results since we are all different.

I have just noticed the doses and they are not high at all and very light. I think with your wife it was just a case of her body reacting badly to the extreme diet and Shelby not understanding how to rectify the situation (or not given the chance). Many have posted about starvation diets early on from him and for some it will work and for many it won't and for some it's just going to dig them in a hole they struggle to get out off.

 

[Kaladryn]

Thank you Maldorf......in our case this is exactly what happened. We still have the questionnaire, the email with the protocol. I emailed him and sent the cash, he emailed my wife, she emailed back the questionnaire, and boom, she gets a protocol. No questions were asked about the questionnaire, no discussions or concerns with any health issues going on. Just a fucking copy and paste job. Despite being told that ALL plans are personalized. Honestly because I thought I knew the guy pretty well, I too trusted him to do better than this. I saw 1st hand the plan was a disaster despite my wife being determined to make it work, and 8 years later I find out this is the same plan he gives to every women he trains, exactly. The same plan that has cause a few deaths. That is fucking BULLSHIT. It not personalized just a one size fits all copy and paste job. For the money we paid my wife should have gotten better than this. But I know better than to try getting a refund. I am just glad she too didn't die. Of all people I should have known better but my personal trust caused me to let my guard down. Another lesson learned. I love the fitness industry including sports and lord knows my whole life has been dedicated to it, but there are tons of charlatans and frauds out there stealing from gullible people. Thank GOD my wife never made it to the fucking silly ass, irresponsible diuretic protocol.

I probably would have never mentioned this again, but when I saw this video and hear the guy's name mentioned it all kind of came back and I got pissed off again. Like I said, this is a systemic problem in our industry and certainly not about 1 guy. This GURU is just part of a big problem that needs to be stopped.

Most coaches are going to start off with a cookie-cutter approach, the idea that you could "personalize" a program based on some questions and stats is crazy, personalized programs happen slowly over time as coaches make adjustments.

Also, you saw 2 different programs and they were the same so you assume everyone is the same? So many assumptions, and why does it matter if they are the same?

Coaches I have worked with started out with "copy and paste" approach that then became personalized based on progress pictures.

 

[Elvia1023]

Agreed, I don't even think Milos's slin protocol was that extreme, it was totally reasonable.

Also, the diuretic protocols being used by the top men's coaches are pretty crazy, even the 'safe' coaches like Aceto. Armchair bodybuilders on the internet would shit their pants if they heard them.

As far as I know, there are 2 women who died, every time someone mentions 'some other person who died' they can't give a name? I agree 2 is too many but there is a lot of lying with an agenda going on in these interviews.

I know Aceto throws diuretics at guys without understanding them. I can't see his protocols being any worse than what I have seen recently. Luke Sandoe came out about it but then back tracked and went back to him after his show. I have also seen some crazy protocols for men (especially Middle Eastern) that consist of 4-5 days without fluids but that doesn't excuse the protocols that have come out recently. The human body is very resilient so even if people don't die there are multiple girls who have come out who ended up in hospital post show. Bodybuilding is extreme but some of this stuff is simply wrong.

 

[Kaladryn]

@BigTex, sorry y’all had to deal with the health issues. Sounds like you got taken for a ride by a con-artist, but one that has a good reputation. Glad to hear your wife has fully recovered. Best thing to do is spread the word in your circle to NOT utilize this coach. In time hopefully they’ll lose clients. Eventually word spreads and they’ll develop the wrong rep and be yesterday’s news!

Cage

You obviously have an agenda (as you clearly state) and are not aware of what other 'big name' coaches are up to because they are doing the same shit.

 

[Kaladryn]

I agree but I chalked it up to just a dumb meathead thing he said, I don’t think he was saying Meadows was pushing bad drug protocols. At least I hope he wasn’t saying that. John has always pushed health first. Ray would be a piece of shit if he was trying to imply Meadows had been one of the Death Gurus.

The fact that JM was relatively safe and still died is a perfect example of how dangerous bodybuilding is.

 

[cage99]

You obviously have an agenda (as you clearly state) and are not aware of what other 'big name' coaches are up to because they are doing the same shit.

I have an agenda? That meant for me?

Cage

 

[Matsuo Munefusa]

The fact that JM was relatively safe and still died is a perfect example of how dangerous bodybuilding is.

True that.

 

[airman]

The most ironic thing in this thread that a lot of the people saying "it's the competitors responsibility to know and research what they're taking" are the same ones that I've seen for years say (anytime someone asks questions about their coaches plan) "if you are paying a coach why are you asking? Just do what the coach says, that's what you pay him for!"

 

[Kaladryn]

Best thing to do is spread the word in your circle to NOT utilize this coach. In time hopefully they’ll lose clients. Eventually word spreads and they’ll develop the wrong rep and be yesterday’s news!

Cage

^THAT is an agenda, obviously

 

[Kaladryn]

"if you are paying a coach why are you asking? Just do what the coach says, that's what you pay him for!"

I've never seen anyone say that.

 

[cage99]

^THAT is an agenda, obviously

Well I guess you’d high five the guy and pat him on the back, huh? Good job brotha, way to give out generic advice to any one who pays! You’re a great person!!!! If someone is giving terrible advice on dangerous drugs then they should be called out. If you don’t think so then that’s okay too… But IMO they should be called out for what they are, scammers who don’t give two shits abt anyone but themselves! All abt the money!

Cage

 

[Matsuo Munefusa]

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I've never seen anyone say that.

just did a 5 minute search of proM from google and found multiple instances of “just listen to your coach” “you’re paying him why don’t you follow his advice” etc

To be fair I found @TheOtherOne55 pushing the idea that “if you tell your coach how you want to go forward they’ll listen to YOU” - kind of a contrapositive to the other idea. So it’s a mixed lot.

And lol this one didn’t age well....

 

[BigTex]

I have just noticed the doses and they are not high at all and very light. I think with your wife it was just a case of her body reacting badly to the extreme diet and Shelby not understanding how to rectify the situation (or not given the chance). Many have posted about starvation diets early on from him and for some it will work and for many it won't and for some it's just going to dig them in a hole they struggle to get out off.

I used 250 mg of test e to set 14 world records. I tried 300mg for 1 week and I could hardly control myself. What seems low for some is high for others thus what seems low for some is extremely high for others. That is why plans are individualized not just blindly doled out, one size fits all. When you take stimulants on an empty stomach and vomit and then have the shits, something needs to be changed. This just ain't working so well. When you pay $500 to someone who should know better and this is what you get that is pretty fucked up. Quite frankly I was very embarrassed as this was my idea.

I will be glad to put up his diet. Trust me, when you are training 2 times a day and 6 months away from every trying to do any kind of a show, this is not enough calories to support any kind of growth. But I fully intend to do an analysis on it and post up. My wife competed as a heavy weight 182 pounds when she won the nationals. She can't survive for 6 months on a very low calorie diet. Unless you are taking a huge amount of GH and steroids the muscle mass is gone in 6 months. In the run for the nationals my wife never was NEVER put on stimulants of any kind, her doctors insisted that it was not necessary. She won the nationals, overall.

It's no wonder if the guy is training hundreds of people at the same time. Even if he stays at home and never goes out there is no way you can personalize 400 plans. A lot of these guys simply have an autoreply of upping drugs/fatburners and lowering calories no matter the feedback from the client. It will work but it will fuck up so many women and it's totally not needed. It's weird because many guys are stating it's the clients fault and Shelby can't be blamed but the same guys often post stuff like you hire a coach for a reason, so you don't have to think, for his expertise and you should simply listen to your coach and follow his advice and not question it. As I posted I see both sides but this is not good and it sounds like he fucked up many women to the point they stopped competing. If I had a wife/gf and she was given that protocol I certainly wouldn't be happy and I am sure the same guys defending him on here would be the same way.

EXACTLY My wife wanted a trustworthy guy to help her meet her goals, between her business, raising our kid, taking care of the house and training she didn't have time to think and look up research studies on everything she was told to do. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. This is why you give these guys $500 a month. I was out working my ass off and she didn't want to bother me and she had no way to contact her former doctors or training partners. So I provided someone who I believed she could trust to steer her in the right direction. So all she had to do is work her ass off in the gym. I could easily get her any thing she needed. I am truly sad that I worked so fucking much and did not pay more attention to what was going on. I also had a part time internet business on top of my coaching job plus I trained too.

Now lets go even deeper:

Speaking of reporting health issues........take a look at the questionnaire she was sent? Not once is health or previous heal issue mentioned other than a suggestion to get blood work done to see where T3 or test levels are. So do we suggest perhaps that someone with a history of cardiac issues or high BP take clenbuterol, of the other doses of stimulants? If I take any of them I will be calling 9-11. How about kidney issues? How do we know we might have kidney issues on the horizon? Most don't until it is too late. Might be important to know this before suggesting diuretics be dose especially for a periods of time. Maybe T3 and test levels are not all that should be looked at. My wife never used any diuretic to win the nationals. Are they really always necessary?

Then suggesting 750mg of green tea extract to be taken with every other meal on top of T3, clenbuterol, yohimbine and caffeine? Then what happens to those who don't even know they have high blood pressure or even kidney issues? Kind of a rough way to find out you can't tolerate stimulants. Yes, it is ultimately your responsibility but coaches bear some responsibility for what they tell clients to take and do. There is a certain amount of trust clients put in their coach to do what is right for them. I personally think a good civil law suit will put this to an end and hope the families of those who died do this. In my wife's case we didn't even get any follow ups to see if thing were working or not.

In the case of diet.....not 1 question about what you eat, what you diet was that you previously used whether or not you are insulin resistant (blood work again) or anything else. Just a cut and paste job of a low calorie diet, eating 6 times a day with mostly protein. Again, this guy knew my wife was very experienced, won the nationals and also had a pro card. She wanted help and motivation to possibly get back in the game in the new (at the time) women's physique division.

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Estimated current bf%:

What time do you train?

What is your training split? (days per week, bodyparts, etc.)

Can you do am cardio?

Are you currently doing any cardio? If so, how much?

What is your work schedule?

What is your current diet like?

What supplements are currently taking?

What are your goals with this plan?

Any food allergies or injuries I should know about?

Where did you hear about me?

List any other info you think would help me:

Also, I would highly suggest you get blood work done (ask your doctor) to see where your thyroid levels are at, and for men, where your testosterone levels are at.

If either of these is suboptimal, your results will be suboptimal regardless of how hard you work at the diet and cardio. If you need a good hormone replacement doctor, let me know – I can put you in touch with a very good one (they have locations all over).

Thanks, I look forward to working with you.

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