2023 European Heart Journal paper: Optimal systolic blood pressure <100-110 mmHg

pickapeck · Dec 30, 2023

luki7788 said:
recommended by HWO corrupted by pharmaceutical companies to earn more on the sale of pressure medicines - just like lowering the standards for cholesterol from year to year lol

I didn't real the paper but when I see such claims suddenly come out I think pharma industrial complex wants to sell a bunch of new BP meds.

M@NU · Dec 30, 2023

measured 10mins ago.
138/79.
but ive already trained legs earlier so it might be a bit elevated. Usually morning BP is 120-125/68-74

back in 2021 when i had my massive heart issues my cardiologists (both, i went to two different ones) wanted me to get to the maximum dosage of entresto.
taking the half of the dosage already had my BP down to below 105/60 and ive felt like crap all the time.
Since ive reduced the dosage again and let my BP rise a bit higher i feel much better

nothuman · Dec 30, 2023

Zamun said:
80 Telmisartan 5mg Nebivolol 10,000 steps daily.
132/60. Feels bad man. If I go any higher on my meds my bottom number gets dangerously low. My high blood pressure seems isolated to top number.

I used to have this same exact problem. Are you on any gear right now?

bbxtreme · Dec 30, 2023

Shelby said:
Last time I checked mine (August) it was 99/42. I feel fine. Can also write complete sentences, when needed.

Are you taking any meds to keep it this low or is this just your new baseline with your fitness level and bodyweight?

nothuman · Dec 30, 2023

I think some of you are far too comfortable seeing a systolic number above 120-130. I’d rather be safe then sorry.

Zamun · Dec 30, 2023

nothuman said:
I used to have this same exact problem. Are you on any gear right now?

500 test/400 primo.

Even without gear my systolic has been high. My cardiologist never seems concerned though.

On top of daily cardio, I’m taking 6 Grams EPA/DHA. Gallon of water daily. Clean diet.

bbxtreme · Dec 30, 2023

Zamun said:
500 test/400 primo.

Even without gear my systolic has been high. My cardiologist never seems concerned though.

What’s your RHR during the day and during sleep average?

Any HGH? Your numbers are still in current “guideline” ranges so your cardiologist won’t do anything until you tell him you have a symptom like “light headedness, shortness of breath, etc”.

Until then they go off their current medical and insurance mandated ranges and keep things moving.

Zamun · Dec 30, 2023

bbxtreme said:
What’s your RHR during the day and during sleep average?

Any HGH? Your numbers are still in current “guideline” ranges so your cardiologist won’t do anything until you tell him you have a symptom like “light headedness, shortness of breath, etc”.

Until then they go off their current medical and insurance mandated ranges and keep things moving.

No HGH. 6 hours per night.

Truly resting is around high 50s/low 60s.

nothuman · Dec 30, 2023

Zamun said:
500 test/400 primo.

Even without gear my systolic has been high. My cardiologist never seems concerned though.

On top of daily cardio, I’m taking 6 Grams EPA/DHA. Gallon of water daily. Clean diet.

For me, gear raises my systolic but not diastolic.

buck · Dec 30, 2023

Zamun said:
500 test/400 primo.

Even without gear my systolic has been high. My cardiologist never seems concerned though.

On top of daily cardio, I’m taking 6 Grams EPA/DHA. Gallon of water daily. Clean diet.

Years ago cardiologists and other Dr.s were comfortable which BP and fasting glucose being higher than they are now. But that didn't make it healthy for the long term. They were just the accepted levels as where damage has been proven for sure. They have reduced those numbers more then once over the years. I would think looking at those that live long term and seeing what their levels have been traditionally would be the best way to set makers.

bbxtreme · Dec 30, 2023

Zamun said:
No HGH. 6 hours per night.

Truly resting is around high 50s/low 60s.

If it were me I would cut the Nebilivol to 2.5mg. Those numbers are on the low end of the scale which is good. But if it’s impacting your quality of life then you can balance it out by lowering the beta blocker slightly.

It’s the gear as @nothuman said keeping the top number where it is. Very common. I’d make sure you’re taking a good magnesium Glycinate supplement and getting your water in for the day and should help and find balance.

totalrecomp · Dec 30, 2023

Shelby said:
Starting at least around 2018 I saw U.S. sources stating that 120 was the beginning of "elevated BP":

Hypertension guidelines, one year later: monitoring the change

Guidelines that changed the definition of hypertension have prompted a year of dialogue, along with renewed focus on the importance of monitoring blood pressure.

www.heart.org

I seem to remember Life Extension Magazine speaking about this years ago as well. They also did an article on blood glucose levels and the risk factors when having a stroke or heart attack with BG levels starting at 80 and going up, risk wise, from there.

People can believe and do whatever they want but for every person out there lowering their BP too aggressively there are 100 dolts with the "it's normal for me derrr" attitude towards any numbers they don't want to improve.

Not saying the study is right or wrong but to those wanting to dismiss it outright as a money grab(which it 100% may be) it would help if they would point to exactly where the data is manipulated or the conclusion is flawed.

Zamun · Dec 30, 2023

bbxtreme said:
If it were me I would cut the Nebilivol to 2.5mg. Those numbers are on the low end of the scale which is good. But if it’s impacting your quality of life then you can balance it out by lowering the beta blocker slightly.

It’s the gear as @nothuman said keeping the top number where it is. Very common. I’d make sure you’re taking a good magnesium Glycinate supplement and getting your water in for the day and should help and find balance.

I’ll try 2.5 when I drop back to a cruise.

Weirdly enough the 5mg of nebivo is doing more for my BP than 80 telmisartan is.

totalrecomp · Dec 30, 2023

pickapeck said:
I didn't real the paper but when I see such claims suddenly come out I think pharma industrial complex wants to sell a bunch of new BP meds.

Not saying this is not the case but look around you: the majority of Americans do NOT need the goal posts moved to need a BP med.

bbxtreme · Dec 30, 2023

Zamun said:
I’ll try 2.5 when I drop back to a cruise.

Weirdly enough the 5mg of nebivo is doing more for my BP than 80 telmisartan is.

Not weird at all or uncommon. Nebilivol is excellent at managing BP. But given it’s a beta blocker it will also drop the RHR.

Telmisartan I’ve found to be cardio protective and to prevent cardiac remodeling more than anything.

As long as you feel good where you’re at then I’d leave it there and still add magnesium and make sure the water intake is sufficient daily.

Shelby · Dec 30, 2023

bbxtreme said:
Are you taking any meds to keep it this low or is this just your new baseline with your fitness level and bodyweight?

I'd say I'm on the lucky side genetically, I've never really had any BP issues even when I was competing. Nowadays I'm quite a bit smaller though, and do a good amount of cardio (more than I did when I was BBing).