Dr G. HRT

[Elvia1023]

A real life doctor recommending tren as part of HRT... speechless

 

[ALLEX]

Has anyone searched threads started by alpha6164? Look back in 2011. There isn't a doctor in the US who has taken the hippocratic oath that would openly speak of such topics with such ignorance.

He claims to be from Florida. Maybe he runs a juice clinic, but I have grave reservations that a practicing md (in any specialty) would ever consult about tren.

Well, I have nothing against the guy, but when someone claimed that he runs an aging clinic and pushes generic HGH I thought something was off.

I even got some serious crap in other thread for saying this. It seems that there's more than meets the eye on these "doctors" recommending tren, but I won't go there...

 

[OuchThatHurts]

If users want to discuss HRT, we have a forum right here for that. If you want to discuss the use of other ugl and veterinary-grade performance enhancing drugs, we have a forum for that too. But you cannot combine legitimate, doctor-supervised TRT with veterinary and ugl or generic HGH of suspicious origin on this board.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Well, I have nothing against the guy, but when someone claimed that he runs an aging clinic and pushes generic HGH I thought something was off.

I even got some serious crap in other thread for saying this. It seems that there's more than meets the eye on these "doctors" recommending tren, but I won't go there...

But you're right to have something against the guy! Something is really rotten there and there's going to be some discussion about all of this.

A real life doctor recommending tren as part of HRT... speechless

Me too. And for now. I'm putting a stop to it until I know more. Until then, the board will have to do without the services of "Dr. G".

 

[MAS81]

Well, I have nothing against the guy, but when someone claimed that he runs an aging clinic and pushes generic HGH I thought something was off.

I even got some serious crap in other thread for saying this. It seems that there's more than meets the eye on these "doctors" recommending tren, but I won't go there...

I have nothing against anyone on this board. I've only spoken poorly about two members, this "doctor" who claims fina is suitable as a hormone replacement for humans and that JimmyJones kid who preached how a gram of tren was safe for him to get down to 20% body fat.

My thing is that any reasonable person would chuckle at a "doctor" supervising a patient using tren while also making recommendations.

I have two friends who own anti aging clinics here in Florida. They started out scripting with test, deca, winstrol, anavar, gh and a bunch of ancillaries. Basically, rich clients would come to them to get big. The trend faded fast and now the ones that are still open are strictly limited to test, growth and dhea.

These clinics are a dime a dozen down here, usually located right next to a pain management clinic.

 

[RickGrimes]

I already put a stop to the argument. It is what it is. Further input isn't necessary and you're not going to perpetuate with a list of my friends and a non-point post.

OTH,

Thanks for the reply, and not taking me as being disrespectful. But I still don't understand?

You could have very easily deleted the last sentence, where I gave respect to your list of friends. When has it been against the rules to give props to people? You make it sound as I was if I was including your list of friends in this shit.

The thread wasn't closed, I shared my opinion and asked some valid questions. Why not put it back up without the last sentence?

Thanks

 

[Knight9]

You should have something against the guy! Something is really rotten there and there's going to be some discussion about all of this.

Well, me too. And for now. I'm putting a stop to it until I know more. Until then, the board will have to do without the services of "Dr. G".

There are several people on this thread who have no clue what they are talking about...and no I am not directing that at you necessarily OTH..

Allex lives in Brazil and has no fucking clue about Alpha and his profession...as he makes condescending remarks all the time about it. Also, like a few people on this forum, he opts to turn everything around so he can make a dramatic point. Just because a doctor has said Riptropin has tested just as good as pharma and he has used it himself does not mean he "pushes" it. I find some of this speculation ridiculous as a doctor who is well-versed cannot recommend but can certainly consult someone who is going to run tren on their own. I don't get why so many people are up in arms about this.

Dr. G is a doctor.....his Q and A's and protocols aren't really marketing a damn thing for *******.

Alpha is also a real doctor.

I don't get why we all cry that we wish our doctor's knew more and were more knowledgeable about the times and compounds...and then we finally get one that is a straight shooter and very well-versed, but you guys give him shit for it? That's not right.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I don't know about any of that. Only what I saw in this thread. I don't know ALLEX and I don't know alphawhatever or Dr. G. However, if they're advocating what has been discussed in this thread, that's not straight shooting.

That's called pushing. And it's illegal in The States. But truthfully, I don't even care about that either but keep it where it belongs in the proper forums like the sponsor forums or in the HRT Forum here on the board.

I have no problem with anyone here except those that will not accept that there is legitimate HRT and then there's off-label, illegal, underground, veterinary drug use and abuse. Calling the latter "HRT" is going to undermine the HRT that's finally getting a foothold in this ridiculous medical system.

And that's where the rubber meets the road. It is what it is. There is HRT that is legal through a licensed physician. The rest are just illegal drug pushers - and don't think for a second they're above the law. Those "clinics" get busted too.

 

[Knight9]

I don't know about any of that. Only what I saw in this thread. I don't know ALLEX and I don't know alphawhatever or Dr. G. However, if they're advocating what has been discussed in this thread, that's not straight shooting.

That's called pushing. And it's illegal in The States. But truthfully, I don't even care about that either but keep it where it belongs in the proper forums like the sponsor forums or in the HRT Forum here on the board.

I have no problem with anyone here except those that will not accept that there is legitimate HRT and then there's off-label, illegal, underground, veterinary drug use and abuse. Calling the latter "HRT" is going to undermine the HRT that's finally getting a foothold in this ridiculous medical system.

And that's where the rubber meets the road. It is what it is. There is HRT that is legal through a licensed physician. The rest are just illegal drug pushers - and don't think for a second they're above the law. Those "clinics" get busted too.

Ok...none of this is anything new so I am surprised you are not aware it's been discussed on here for over a year and there are plenty of references to the protocol. I think we have different interpretations of the definition of "pusher". You are using it in a way where he is allowing/consulting/openly giving positive feedback on a drug that is not HRT.
My definition of pusher is someone who sells it or gets commissioned off the sale of it and pushes it for financial gain which I do not think is what has been going on here.

 

[triathloncoach]

My definition of pusher is someone who sells it or gets commissioned off the sale of it and pushes it for financial gain which I do not think is what has been going on here.

I gave, for free, some stuff to a cop friend of mine. He wanted to pay. I said no because you are a good friend and also because I don't want to be a seller.

He told me (legally speaking, he did not arrest me) even if you give it away for free you are still a distributor. I'm not saying this applies here, and I also made up my story of course. But FYI, financial gain, or even reimbursement is not required, if someone gives something to a friend and he gets busted - You are a distributor. Beware.

 

[ALLEX]

Allex lives in Brazil and has no fucking clue about Alpha and his profession...as he makes condescending remarks all the time about it.

Just for the record. I go to the US all the time and spend months there at a time. A mod can confirm that several of my posts are originated from an US IP address. Have also used several of the forum sponsors in the past, mostly the older ones. So, I do have a clue.

I second that Knight,every post that Allex comments on is very negative.Different country different rules.

If you take a look at my history you'll see that's not true most of the times. I try to help newbies and add a spark to some discussions, but not always negative. Anyway, I'll take the criticism to my heart and try to be more positive from now on.

Also, if you've been here long enough, you know that OTH is no kid and won't jump on anyone's bandwagon.

We just happen to think alike about this particular subject.

 

[Knight9]

I gave, for free, some stuff to a cop friend of mine. He wanted to pay. I said no because you are a good friend and also because I don't want to be a seller.

He told me (legally speaking, he did not arrest me) even if you give it away for free you are still a distributor. I'm not saying this applies here, and I also made up my story of course. But FYI, financial gain, or even reimbursement is not required, if someone gives something to a friend and he gets busted - You are a distributor. Beware.

I get that you are trying to give an example of how it is defined...but these doctors aren't walking out of their back room and sliding a vial in the patient's pockets either. So my point remains the same. You are not distributing it by listening and advising along with supplying feedback on what you have seen with others that have done the same.

 

[Knight9]

Just for the record. I go to the US all the time and spend months there at a time. A mod can confirm that several of my posts are originated from an US IP address. Have also used several of the forum sponsors in the past, mostly the older ones. So, I do have a clue.
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Ok bro...I don't have an issue with you usually because you do add some good discussion at times. You also seem to back up some of your claims, such as in the real estate discussion. You are mis-interpreting what I said though. My point was not that you are a Brazilian and don't know a damn thing about this country...
Nor was it that you have ever made posts from a US IP addy....
Nor was it that you have or haven't used forum sponsors.
Get with the program and understand what I wrote.

My point was you live in Brazil..... You don't know Alpha... You don't know who Dr. G is... So stop accusing Alpha of "pushing" generic GH. Recommending tren? He's not recommending it when he is simply giving feedback on real world observation.

According to you there is no Dr. G and he is a made-up doctor. You don't know that so stop talking out of your ass. Come with something of substance or don't make the accusation!

 

[ALLEX]

Get with the program and understand what I wrote.

Makes sense. I apologize...

It just smells funny. I guess I'm just tired of reading people's agendas.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

You don't know Alpha... You don't know who Dr. G is... So stop accusing Alpha of "pushing" generic GH. Recommending tren? He's not recommending it when he is simply giving feedback on real world observation.

According to you there is no Dr. G and he is a made-up doctor. You don't know that so stop talking out of your ass. Come with something of substance or don't make the accusation!

I was finished with this thread but curiosity is getting me here, knight9. Why do you care so much? What has gotten you all bent out of shape. We've always had a good relationship on this board so feel free to PM me. I didn't know any of this was going on and since I figured everything stayed in the one thread, it was no big deal. Now I'm seeing this stuff all over the board. There's got to be a limit. This is not just informative discussion and forum fodder. This is starting to look a lot more like marketing. Like I said though, please PM me and let me know what the thought process was here. No worries.

But I have to sort this out and this has to stop now (not this thread, just the name dropping all over the board).

 

[Knight9]

Makes sense. I apologize...

It just smells funny. I guess I'm just tired of reading people's agendas.

It's all good man. I DO understand your reasoning.

 

[Elvia1023]

I couldn't care less about this subject and I don't want to derail this thread anymore.. But I will say I find it funny you say such a thing about Allex. He starts some of the best threads/debates on this forum these days. He may disagree with what many think and don't we know it Seriously though he is one of the best posters on this entire forum now. Although initially I felt the same about him but that changed so perhaps you will do the same.

 

[Knight9]

I couldn't care less about this subject and I don't want to derail this thread anymore.. But I will say I find it funny you say such a thing about Allex. He starts some of the best threads/debates on this forum these days. He may disagree with what many think and don't we know it Seriously though he is one of the best posters on this entire forum now. Although initially I felt the same about him but that changed so perhaps you will do the same.

Lately, he has been starting some very good thought-provoking threads.

 

[spartantech]

Trenbolone is being researched for its possible role as HRT and other medical issues as evidenced by the following studies:

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Apr;300(4):E650-60. Epub 2011 Jan 25.
17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate.

Yarrow JF, Conover CF, McCoy SC, Lipinska JA, Santillana CA, Hance JM, Cannady DF, VanPelt TD, Sanchez J, Conrad BP, Pingel JE, Wronski TJ, Borst SE.
Source

VA Medical Center, University of Florida, Gainesville, 32608-1197, USA. [email protected]

Abstract

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) now under development can protect against muscle and bone loss without causing prostate growth or polycythemia. 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone), a potent testosterone analog, may have SARM-like actions because, unlike testosterone, trenbolone does not undergo tissue-specific 5α-reduction to form more potent androgens. We tested the hypothesis that trenbolone-enanthate (TREN) might prevent orchiectomy-induced losses in muscle and bone and visceral fat accumulation without increasing prostate mass or resulting in adverse hemoglobin elevations. Male F344 rats aged 3 mo underwent orchiectomy or remained intact and were administered graded doses of TREN, supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate, or vehicle for 29 days. In both intact and orchiectomized animals, all TREN doses and supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate augmented androgen-sensitive levator ani/bulbocavernosus muscle mass by 35-40% above shams (P ≤ 0.001) and produced a dose-dependent partial protection against orchiectomy-induced total and trabecular bone mineral density losses (P < 0.05) and visceral fat accumulation (P < 0.05). The lowest doses of TREN successfully maintained prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations at sham levels in both intact and orchiectomized animals, whereas supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate and high-dose TREN elevated prostate mass by 84 and 68%, respectively (P < 0.01). In summary, low-dose administration of the non-5α-reducible androgen TREN maintains prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations near the level of shams while producing potent myotrophic actions in skeletal muscle and partial protection against orchiectomy-induced bone loss and visceral fat accumulation. Our findings indicate that TREN has advantages over supraphysiological testosterone and supports the need for future preclinical studies examining the viability of TREN as an option for androgen replacement therapy.


010 Jun;75(6):377-89. Epub 2010 Feb 4.

Tissue selectivity and potential clinical applications of trenbolone (17beta-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one): A potent anabolic steroid with reduced androgenic and estrogenic activity.

Yarrow JF, McCoy SC, Borst SE.
Source
Geriatric Research, Education & Clinical Center, VA Medical Center, Gainesville, FL 32608, United States. [email protected]

Abstract

Recently, the development of selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) has been suggested as a means of combating the deleterious catabolic effects of hypogonadism, especially in skeletal muscle and bone, without inducing the undesirable androgenic effects (e.g., prostate enlargement and polycythemia) associated with testosterone administration. 17beta-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone; 17beta-TBOH), a synthetic analog of testosterone, may be capable of inducing SARM-like effects as it binds to androgen receptors (ARs) with approximately three times the affinity of testosterone and has been shown to augment skeletal muscle mass and bone growth and reduce adiposity in a variety of mammalian species. In addition to its direct actions through ARs, 17beta-TBOH may also exert anabolic effects by altering the action of endogenous growth factors or inhibiting the action of glucocorticoids. Compared to testosterone, 17beta-TBOH appears to induce less growth in androgen-sensitive organs which highly express the 5alpha reductase enzyme (e.g., prostate tissue and accessory sex organs). The reduced androgenic effects result from the fact that 17beta-TBOH is metabolized to less potent androgens in vivo; while testosterone undergoes tissue-specific biotransformation to more potent steroids, dihydrotestosterone and 17beta-estradiol, via the 5alpha-reductase and aromatase enzymes, respectively. Thus the metabolism of 17beta-TBOH provides a basis for future research evaluating its safety and efficacy as a means of combating muscle and bone wasting conditions, obesity, and/or androgen insensitivity syndromes in humans, similar to that of other SARMs which are currently in development.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

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Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Apr;300(4):E650-60. Epub 2011 Jan 25.


010 Jun;75(6):377-89. Epub 2010 Feb 4.

This is YEARS old. And it does not matter currently. If this was definitive in ANY WAY whatsoever, it would have been given at least some consideration. It hasn't. If it does in the future, then maybe that's good for us all, who knows?

Most of us have read or have seen this one before. Someone is probably studying the benefits on the merits of cow shit in preventing cancer. That doesn't make it true.