PGE-1 Arm Log

[mikelee12790]

so is this a better way to increase size as apposed syntherol

It's just a theory I had I don't even know what the results will conclude but who knows eliva is the man helping us all explore the unknown

I am not too sure about this theory, it might be. Are you saying that the pge may create hyperplasia?

It's just a theory I haven't a clue

Has anyone ever tried this as a chest inject?

Would that be a bad idea?

Chip

I don't think it's a bad idea to inject anywhere if you can put it in your pecker what would it hurt to try in your chest I think bigger muscles like quads and stuff could handle more mcg then small muscles like a bicep or a penis haha I say give it a go

 

[Elvia1023]

My question is can you make permanent muscle gains from the PGE-1?

Well there is only one way to find out

I am interested more to know how much of that extra size/pump will remain, hopefully permanently 2, 3 weeks you discontinue the pge use.

The pump you get from this is temporary but the more pump you get over a consistent basis the bigger the possibility for actual muscle growth. I will get as much blood into the muscle with effective training whilst the PGE-1 temporary expands the muscle even more. By adding in good intra nutrition I hope to have all bases covered.

I think you can because what I feel like the pge1 is doing is working out the muscle with out even having to workout if that makes any since your muscle grows by the amount of blood pumped into the area stretches the skin and creates new muscle cells correct ? So if this pge 1 is creating a constant pump for longer and harder then normal you will grow more then normal but your body should react the same and create new muscle cells as the skin stretches right ?

Prostaglandins are potent muscle builders so I would have to agree with you. But expanding from the above the daily stretching of my bi-ceps through PGE-1 injs should imo cause them to grow over time. Even if that 'pump' is temporary to begin with I think if I am consistent with this things could get great.

so is this a better way to increase size as apposed syntherol

Syntherol is amazing. I couldn't say as I have just started this log. Common sense would suggest syntherol would cause the most growth and size due to the large volume of oil being put into the muscle. I think the two could be used to amazing use. The one benefit of this PGE-1 is the injs are so easy and take 10 secs.

This sounds very promising! I wonder what dose would be needed to bring up the quad sweep the day of competition?

I think any dose would be good. Although with a large muscle I think small but multiple injs would be best. Whereas in my bi-cep even the 1 inj is amazing. I may half the dose and inj them in 2 areas to see what difference that brings. If I had more I could have some fun and do say 5 injs in each quad of 14mcg... the feeling would be weird. If anyone wants to try this start with 1 inj first just to make sure!!

Has anyone ever tried this as a chest inject?

Would that be a bad idea?

Chip

As mentioned above guys inject this into their cocks so I can't see the chest being bad. After using this in my bi-cep though I can imagine it would feel weird in my chest. From what I have experienced so far if you do chest I would recommend doing tiny injs (such as 5mcg) but in multiple areas of the chest (moving up when needed).

2moro gonna train arms, calves and abs so will put this to best use

 

[Elvia1023]

Some info I just found online

(from fitflex.com)

The Anabolic Properties of PGE1

You may already be aware of some of PGE1's interesting properties. In the pre-Viagra era PGE1 injection was one of the most potent ways of inducing a long-lasting erection. PGE1 is also one of the few substances that can help build muscle mass. Its anabolic properties in humans were brought to light by German studies performed in the late '80s. The researchers gave PGE1 intravenously to healthy subjects who had fasted. Before the infusion, amino acids were leaving the muscles because of the catabolic response induced by the lack of food. Once the PGE1 got to the blood, the amino acid loss was stopped and then reversed. In other words, the subjects went from a state of net catabolism into a phase of net anabolism thanks to an increase in PGE1. Although insulin secretion was unchanged, the researchers concluded that PGE1 has an insulinlike effect on muscle. A recent study confirmed that effect.

The researchers begin by stating, "Prostaglandins of the E (PGE) series have long been considered 'catabolic' hormones, but recent data suggest that they may be secreted in critically ill patients to counteract stress hormones, stimulating protein synthesis." It's about time that science confirms what bodybuilders have known for years. If Dianabol is the breakfast of champions, PGE1 is their evening meal because of its ability to turn the catabolic nocturnal period into an anabolic period.

PGE1 deficiency has long been associated with impaired muscle growth. As humans naturally produce very little PGE1 because of a lack of absorption of the corresponding raw materials, bodybuilders are probably deficient in it-not in a way that's detrimental to their health but in the sense that muscle growth is suboptimal.

Will PGE1 Make You Fat?

As mentioned above, a high PGE1 level is especially desirable at night because of the substance's protective, insulinlike effects on muscles. Of course, with insulin there's also the possibility of gaining fat-and prostaglandins do have the reputation of being fattening.

PGE1 inhibits fat release in a test tube just as insulin does, but it's a big leap to assume that PGE1 is fattening based on test tube studies. In humans the administration of PGE1 leads to both an increase in the free fatty acid levels in the blood and an increased rate of fat oxidation in muscles. That means PGE1 extracts the fat from your adipose tissue and brings it to the muscles, where the fat molecules are burned. So much for PGE1 being fattening!

You may wonder how PGE1 produces its wonderful fat-burning effects. PGE1 actions in the short term are mediated mainly by an increase in the secretion of norepineprine. Its long-term fat-fighting effects are brought about by an increase in both growth hormone secretion and thyroid hormone production. In addition, PGE1 reduces the secretion of insulin that you'd normally get after a meal. That lessens insulin's fattening properties without altering its muscle-building effects, as those are reinforced by the PGE1.

PGE1 may also blunt the effects of the alpha 2 receptors, which is a good thing. Scientists believe it does that through a "heterologous desensitization at the post receptor level." That means the alpha 2 receptors located on the fat cells, which prevent fat loss, don't function as well because of PGE1. As a result, you lose more fat from hard- to-lose areas. What's more, PGE1 may enhance the fat-reducing properties of the beta adrenergic receptors.

PGE1 is also associated with fat cell necrosis, or the destruction of unwanted fat cells. Last, but not least, PGE1 strongly stimulates thermogenesis, which wastes calories. That, incidentally, is one of the major side effects of artificial PGE1 administration. Body temperature rises to an alarming degree.

 

[BIGNFIT]

Would it be possible to take arm measurement now and after you end the cycle? this way for sure we will know if there would be permanent growth, or just temporary pump.

 

[belske]

Would it be possible to take arm measurement now and after you end the cycle? this way for sure we will know if there would be permanent growth, or just temporary pump.

I will take a picture of measurement as well and also before training and after training

 

[johnjuanb1]

(from fitflex.com)

The Anabolic Properties of PGE1

You may already be aware of some of PGE1's interesting properties. In the pre-Viagra era PGE1 injection was one of the most potent ways of inducing a long-lasting erection. PGE1 is also one of the few substances that can help build muscle mass. Its anabolic properties in humans were brought to light by German studies performed in the late '80s. The researchers gave PGE1 intravenously to healthy subjects who had fasted. Before the infusion, amino acids were leaving the muscles because of the catabolic response induced by the lack of food. Once the PGE1 got to the blood, the amino acid loss was stopped and then reversed. In other words, the subjects went from a state of net catabolism into a phase of net anabolism thanks to an increase in PGE1. Although insulin secretion was unchanged, the researchers concluded that PGE1 has an insulinlike effect on muscle. A recent study confirmed that effect.

The researchers begin by stating, "Prostaglandins of the E (PGE) series have long been considered 'catabolic' hormones, but recent data suggest that they may be secreted in critically ill patients to counteract stress hormones, stimulating protein synthesis." It's about time that science confirms what bodybuilders have known for years. If Dianabol is the breakfast of champions, PGE1 is their evening meal because of its ability to turn the catabolic nocturnal period into an anabolic period.

PGE1 deficiency has long been associated with impaired muscle growth. As humans naturally produce very little PGE1 because of a lack of absorption of the corresponding raw materials, bodybuilders are probably deficient in it-not in a way that's detrimental to their health but in the sense that muscle growth is suboptimal.

Will PGE1 Make You Fat?

As mentioned above, a high PGE1 level is especially desirable at night because of the substance's protective, insulinlike effects on muscles. Of course, with insulin there's also the possibility of gaining fat-and prostaglandins do have the reputation of being fattening.

PGE1 inhibits fat release in a test tube just as insulin does, but it's a big leap to assume that PGE1 is fattening based on test tube studies. In humans the administration of PGE1 leads to both an increase in the free fatty acid levels in the blood and an increased rate of fat oxidation in muscles. That means PGE1 extracts the fat from your adipose tissue and brings it to the muscles, where the fat molecules are burned. So much for PGE1 being fattening!

You may wonder how PGE1 produces its wonderful fat-burning effects. PGE1 actions in the short term are mediated mainly by an increase in the secretion of norepineprine. Its long-term fat-fighting effects are brought about by an increase in both growth hormone secretion and thyroid hormone production. In addition, PGE1 reduces the secretion of insulin that you'd normally get after a meal. That lessens insulin's fattening properties without altering its muscle-building effects, as those are reinforced by the PGE1.

PGE1 may also blunt the effects of the alpha 2 receptors, which is a good thing. Scientists believe it does that through a "heterologous desensitization at the post receptor level." That means the alpha 2 receptors located on the fat cells, which prevent fat loss, don't function as well because of PGE1. As a result, you lose more fat from hard- to-lose areas. What's more, PGE1 may enhance the fat-reducing properties of the beta adrenergic receptors.

PGE1 is also associated with fat cell necrosis, or the destruction of unwanted fat cells. Last, but not least, PGE1 strongly stimulates thermogenesis, which wastes calories. That, incidentally, is one of the major side effects of artificial PGE1 administration. Body temperature rises to an alarming degree.

Excellent find right here!!! Good work, Elvia!!!

 

[Elvia1023]

Excellent find right here!!! Good work, Elvia!!!

There was more to the article but that was the most interesting part. More good info and some bad. The bad simply being health but the article was written to increase PGE-1 through supplementation which is very hard to do. It was your typical do anything in the grey area and that's really bad and unhealthy (like you get in any mainstream article). Interestingly his recommended Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) as a good way to increase prostaglandin. 10g Evening Primrose Oil was his recommendation spread through the day. I would personally opt for Starflower oil but either is a useful supplement for the BB.

 

[johnjuanb1]

There was more to the article but that was the most interesting part. More good info and some bad. The bad simply being health but the article was written to increase PGE-1 through supplementation which is very hard to do. It was your typical do anything in the grey area and that's really bad and unhealthy (like you get in any mainstream article). Interestingly his recommended Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) as a good way to increase prostaglandin. 10g Evening Primrose Oil was his recommendation spread through the day. I would personally opt for Starflower oil but either is a useful supplement for the BB.

I was researching to see if PGE1 increases smooth muscle/cardiac size. It actually inhibits smooth muscle growth but it also inhibits collagen production to smooth muscle which I would imagine is not something you want on a constant basis. I think in the tiny doses you are using most of it will remain localized in the biceps.

 

[Elvia1023]

Today I trained arms, calves and abs but it was 80% arms. I haven't been in a set routine and was rushing and didn't realize that I am meant to do 0.05ml per bi-cep. I injected 0.1ml in each bi-cep so that's 28.6mcg per bi-cep. The tightness was more intense and my arms felt like they were being pumped up post injection. I don't have enough to continue that dosing but I will in the future. If I could do 0.1ml for each arm I would rather do 0.05ml in my bi-cep and tri-cep as opposed to just bi-cep. The feeling you get when injecting both is amazing.

Anyway after administration I headed to the gym and rotated bi-ceps and tri-ceps. My bi-ceps felt sore at first but I just made sure I warmed up slowly with very light weight. The PGE-1 didn't effect my workout at all and I lifted fairly heavy for some exercises. My workout looked like this...

Warm up with DB Curls and Lying DB Tri-cep Extensions
Barbell Curls sat upright on a bench with elbows behind my back... about 3 sets of 15 reps
Barbell Curls stood against a wall (head and back of feet) for 2 sets of 20-15 reps
Standing Tri-cep Extensions... 3 sets of 15 reps going up in weight
Close Grip Bench Press... 7 sets of 15 reps with 10 sec rest in between sets (only 50kg total but very hard)
Barbell Bi-cep Curl... same barbell (50kg) for 2 sets of 15-10 reps
Skull Crushers with 50kg for 2 sets of about 20 reps
DB Hammer Curl for a few sets... then 1 drop set... 30kg for about 8 reps, 20kg for about 15 reps and 12.5kg for about 12 reps.
Then I done forearms consisting of wrist curls at different angles sitting on the floor using a bench. Finishing with some reverse curls going up in weight... finished with 30kg for about 20 reps.

2moro will be back, hams and some arms. For arms I am thinking some concentration curls, 28's (I add 7 hammer curls at the end) and some cable work.

I will go back to 0.05ml (14.3mcg) per bi-cep 2moro

 

[BIGNFIT]

Today I trained arms, calves and abs but it was 80% arms. I haven't been in a set routine and was rushing and didn't realize that I am meant to do 0.05ml per bi-cep. I injected 0.1ml in each bi-cep so that's 28.6mcg per bi-cep. The tightness was more intense and my arms felt like they were being pumped up post injection. I don't have enough to continue that dosing but I will in the future. If I could do 0.1ml for each arm I would rather do 0.05ml in my bi-cep and tri-cep as opposed to just bi-cep. The feeling you get when injecting both is amazing.

Anyway after administration I headed to the gym and rotated bi-ceps and tri-ceps. My bi-ceps felt sore at first but I just made sure I warmed up slowly with very light weight. The PGE-1 didn't effect my workout at all and I lifted fairly heavy for some exercises. My workout looked like this...

Warm up with DB Curls and Lying DB Tri-cep Extensions
Barbell Curls sat upright on a bench with elbows behind my back... about 3 sets of 15 reps
Barbell Curls stood against a wall (head and back of feet) for 2 sets of 20-15 reps
Standing Tri-cep Extensions... 3 sets of 15 reps going up in weight
Close Grip Bench Press... 7 sets of 15 reps with 10 sec rest in between sets (only 50kg total but very hard)
Barbell Bi-cep Curl... same barbell (50kg) for 2 sets of 15-10 reps
Skull Crushers with 50kg for 2 sets of about 20 reps
DB Hammer Curl for a few sets... then 1 drop set... 30kg for about 8 reps, 20kg for about 15 reps and 12.5kg for about 12 reps.
Then I done forearms consisting of wrist curls at different angles sitting on the floor using a bench. Finishing with some reverse curls going up in weight... finished with 30kg for about 20 reps.

2moro will be back, hams and some arms. For arms I am thinking some concentration curls, 28's (I add 7 hammer curls at the end) and some cable work.

I will go back to 0.05ml (14.3mcg) per bi-cep 2moro

I don't mean to be a pain, but if you could please take arm measurements while in the beginning of the cycle, and then later a week or 2 after you finish, that is the only way we would know and get the final complete idea of PGE.

 

[Elvia1023]

I don't mean to be a pain, but if you could please take arm measurements while in the beginning of the cycle, and then later a week or 2 after you finish, that is the only way we would know and get the final complete idea of PGE.

I will matey. I should have done it right at the start. It's very late so off to bed but will take measurements 2moro morning before the gym. I will retake pre training measurements on a weekly basis. I will also see if there is any difference post injection and post training. I will sort out some pics 2moro too. Good night everyone

 

[belske]

elvia do you inject everyday your arms

 

[belske]

did the first time triceps and biceps.triceps I inject 3 spots and bicep 1.
biceps felt ok but triceps was hell,lots of pain.it was almost not possible to train but fuck I hit my arms hard,the pump was insane and never felt it before.next time ill take some pictures, I was in a hurry that's why I didn't take a picture and messurements.

 

[johnjuanb1]

did the first time triceps and biceps.triceps I inject 3 spots and bicep 1.
biceps felt ok but triceps was hell,lots of pain.it was almost not possible to train but fuck I hit my arms hard,the pump was insane and never felt it before.next time ill take some pictures, I was in a hurry that's why I didn't take a picture and messurements.

It might be a good idea to lower the dose to play it safe.

 

[belske]

It might be a good idea to lower the dose to play it safe.

I did the same dose as elvia but next time I lower the dose,the pain was to crazy but the pups where insane

 

[Elvia1023]

did the first time triceps and biceps.triceps I inject 3 spots and bicep 1.
biceps felt ok but triceps was hell,lots of pain.it was almost not possible to train but fuck I hit my arms hard,the pump was insane and never felt it before.next time ill take some pictures, I was in a hurry that's why I didn't take a picture and messurements.

Good stuff It's a crazy feeling isn't it?

I did the same dose as elvia but next time I lower the dose,the pain was to crazy but the pups where insane

Did you do the same dose as me in every shot or did your 3 tri-cep shots add up to 14.3mcg? Obviously if you done 14.3mcg in 3 places in your tri-cep that would explain the pain. If would lower your dose for each or inj 2 areas instead of 3.

It's a strange one as it's hard to know how far the expansion goes in a sense. All I mean by that is say you inject your quad how many injs would you need to cover the area (the same applies for any body part). The inj stays localized but when I do the 1 bi-cep shot I don't think I really need to be doing another one. Perhaps half the dose in 2 areas would work better. But I think the same dose in 2 areas would become very painful (but sure more effective in many ways).

 

[Elvia1023]

elvia do you inject everyday your arms

Not everyday so far and just pre training and on the Sat. But I will be doing shots everyday now until I go away. I will try and train arms most days but will do shots even when I don't. When I get back I will stick with ed dosing and I am thinking my delts could be rounder/bigger too

 

[Elvia1023]

I don't mean to be a pain, but if you could please take arm measurements while in the beginning of the cycle, and then later a week or 2 after you finish, that is the only way we would know and get the final complete idea of PGE.

My arms aren't very big but they looked quite freaky the other day after I done my bi-cep and tri-cep.

Just measured and my right is bigger than my left... first time I have ever measured them.

Right arm = 18 inches
Left Arm = 17.5 inches

It's 11pm and I go the gym roughly the same time ed (1-2pm). I will measure them next Fri about this time as a 1 week comparison. I will also measure them pre training and post training 2moro. I will get some pics sorted a little later.

 

[johnjuanb1]

Bring your take measure to the gym. I'm curious if they are over 19" pumped with PGE1 in them.

 

[Dallashunk]

Elvia1023- Have you ever taken viagra pre workout? If so, how much more is this insane pump with the pge-1??