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Yes.. there's a old saying in the medical community " the poison is in the dosage ".. meaning all meds.. aspirin etc included can be troublesome if taken in the wrong dosage.. remember that " side effects" are letting you know that your taking too much. But many then take meds to counter the side effects that have their own side effects.. its a slippery slope...You're not taking into consideration the unknowns that exist in the lives of the individuals who have passed. I'm referring to genetic and lifestyle unknowns...rec drugs, untreated sleep apnea, untreated high BP, etc. We're also talking about a global endeavor. If you take a cross section of that many different people you're bound to have fatalities where "gear" isn't the primary cause. A contributing co-comorbidity factor? Perhaps. Remember, millions of people world wide use AAS, GH and ancillaries. I don't think certain drugs are as dangerous or lethal as you say. We do know some drugs pose more of a health risk but some people take TRT and their blood pressure immediately goes up. Others get gyno. You make it sound like the drugs are lethal no matter what and that's not true. The potential for adverse effects is there so be smart and monitor yourself to see if you're one of those people who has adverse effects. Common sense with dose and duration also play a huge roll!! Also, as @LATS stated before, more than a handful of fairly recent deaths had nothing to do with gear. For instance one was suicide by someone who was no longer bodybuilding but everyone quickly jumped to gear being the cause of death. There's a high degree of personal responsibility that goes with this sport, every other sport and life in general.
Many of us including myself have been using gear for decades. I tried D-bol at 18 but got sick two weeks later and stopped. At 19 I did my first real cycle, Anavar, Deca and Test. For many years I used approximately 1.2 to 1.5 grams of test and 600 Deca, sometimes more, with no AI. I've used many other AAS but those were always my go to. I think keeping it basic may have helped me, who knows. All these decades later my calcium score is 0. 6 weeks ago I did an EKG, Echocardiogram, Nuclear Stress Test and extensive blood work. All checked out good! I turned 53 two days ago!! I will continue to monitor my health whether I'm on gear or off.
We hear guys constantly say that tren gives them night sweats. Well lower the frickin dose . It's really that simple.. stop taking compounds that make you feel " off".. again , sides are a sign to back off. There is no minimum dose for any compound.. its different for everyone.. stop thinking you have a " minimum" dose that is effective..
tren, for example, can bring results at 100mgs.. anything over that makes me feel " off".. so 100 mgs it is for me .
Test is great.. but anything over 300 to 400mgs is side effects in a bottle for me. And im not taking a anti e to counter that which brings its own issues..
I could go on and on.. but again it's the dosage. Not the compound. The issue now is that a " moderate" cycle is 750mgs of test, 500 deca, 50mgs of dbol, 5 ius of gh, clen, AI .. so many don't have a clue that too many of us " old timers" that is a big cycle. . ....