Thoughts on Decreasing Sex Drive the Most

[swim15]

Appreciate input from everyone. For those that say "a therapist will do more good" a naive version of myslef probably would have said that a long time ago but after having a lot more experience with addiction (both myself and patients) as an adult I would say its probably the least likely to benefit people on its own. It does have a place but I am someone (and I probably should have put this in my first post) that has been historically very driven, have excelled in many areas of life, and am already engaged in those sorts of solutions.

I have logged hundreds of hours of meditation in the last year. I have seen professionals. I regularly spend time in mindfulness and observation of both myself and my actions. I am in medical school. I "know" the "right" things to do to "beat" addiction. Obviously, however, there's a lot more to it though.

Some of it is behavioral, as someone mentioned - actually dropping out HRT is probably the best way address that particular aspect along with some augmenting psychotherapy.

Some is neurochemical. This is multifaceted in my instance and far more complicated than I care to really dive into here but a small piece of that is exemplified in the phrase "neurons that fire together wire together" - same with unfiring and unwiring. Ibogaine, as incredible as it is, doesn't cure addiction. Dropping testosterone doesn't cure addiction. However, my goal, just as the idea behind ibogaine in general, is to give a period of reprieve and rest from the cycle, albeit a physiologically forced rest period. One that can be used to unwire behaviors, begin new behaviors, and seen as a time to create new neural connections, find new ways to occupy time, create new habits, etc.

 

[bananas007]

As a med student how do you have time for so much "extracurriculars". What year are you in and where in the world are you going to medical school.

 

[LK3]

Appreciate input from everyone. For those that say "a therapist will do more good" a naive version of myslef probably would have said that a long time ago but after having a lot more experience with addiction (both myself and patients) as an adult I would say its probably the least likely to benefit people on its own. It does have a place but I am someone (and I probably should have put this in my first post) that has been historically very driven, have excelled in many areas of life, and am already engaged in those sorts of solutions.

I have logged hundreds of hours of meditation in the last year. I have seen professionals. I regularly spend time in mindfulness and observation of both myself and my actions. I am in medical school. I "know" the "right" things to do to "beat" addiction. Obviously, however, there's a lot more to it though.

Some of it is behavioral, as someone mentioned - actually dropping out HRT is probably the best way address that particular aspect along with some augmenting psychotherapy.

Some is neurochemical. This is multifaceted in my instance and far more complicated than I care to really dive into here but a small piece of that is exemplified in the phrase "neurons that fire together wire together" - same with unfiring and unwiring. Ibogaine, as incredible as it is, doesn't cure addiction. Dropping testosterone doesn't cure addiction. However, my goal, just as the idea behind ibogaine in general, is to give a period of reprieve and rest from the cycle, albeit a physiologically forced rest period. One that can be used to unwire behaviors, begin new behaviors, and seen as a time to create new neural connections, find new ways to occupy time, create new habits, etc.

people seem to think pyscadelics are some sort of magic cure for all sorts of things. they are not. no matter what flavor. using that as an example of trying do so hard to do something isnt much of an example. lots of ppl go to great lengths for all sorts of drugs and activities.

if something really deeply bothers you and hurts your health or life you just stop doing it. when it really hurts enough, you will. i think most dont know what real hurt is.

what if you smash the hand you use to jerk off with a hammer?
keep you from touching yourself for a bit?
lol

 

[swim15]

people seem to think pyscadelics are some sort of magic cure for all sorts of things. they are not. no matter what flavor. using that as an example of trying do so hard to do something isnt much of an example. lots of ppl go to great lengths for all sorts of drugs and activities.

if something really deeply bothers you and hurts your health or life you just stop doing it. when it really hurts enough, you will. i think most dont know what real hurt is.

what if you smash the hand you use to jerk off with a hammer?
keep you from touching yourself for a bit?
lol

Sometimes. Although there are tens thousands every year in the US alone that continue addictions they wish they could stop until they die (mainly opiates). Sometimes pain isn't enough, sometimes it is. They know they are hurting themselves and others around them to a degree that is hard to imagine and yet they can't stop. My point was - I am doing all the "basic" things that people here have suggested. Trying to get things shifted back to a hormonal discussion - if anyone has any input - since that's what this board is about.


That said, I will plug ibogaine for anyone dealing with a chemical addiction that may be reading this. It is borderline magic for many. Also not for the faint of heart. IMO the only other thing that brings you close to that experience is a death experience, NDE. If someone is struggling from a chemical addiction its the only thing on the planet that can reliably interrupt that addiction for months at a time and help re-equilibriate the limbic system.

 

[swim15]

Actually, to follow up on that, I think that's really the definition of addiction. Not stopping something even when it is causing you pain - the severity of the pain defining the severity of the addiction. Quite a paradox for species that are so defined by pain as a learning tool

 

[Performance Based]

Swim have you started chelation therapy as of yet?

I had high levels of lead exposure for a decade and a half - went through chelation in 2019ish. Took around 6 weeks for me to test negative.

Your response to me was well thought out and articulate, you have a clear cut grasp on what the issue is and I wish you the absolute best in your endeavors.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

As a med student how do you have time for so much "extracurriculars". What year are you in and where in the world are you going to medical school.

I had a friend in college (and a hard college) who was valedictorian and had similar issues. Dude actually would not sleep. That is where the time came from. His behavior was sorta manic/OCD.

 

[totalrecomp]

Get a flip phone. Don't own a computer, use the ones at school when you need it. Get a part time job to take up ANY free time you have.


This is the closest equivalent to loosing your dealers number for your situation.

 

[dale338]

I have a different viewpoint on this topic. I personally don’t think craving sex. All the time is the addiction itself. It’s what you do with it. If your behaviors are falling way out of what is considered normal that is the issue. Not the fact that you’re craving sex. Most of us wish we had a higher sex drive. I’m in my mid 50s now and I long for the days when I needed sex every day or I started feeling Twitchy.

Get a handle on your behaviors associated with the urges for sex. I personally think someone who has a high sex drive is an indication that they’re actually healthy overall.

Get yourself a comparable girlfriend and enjoy your state etc. a girl who likes sex as much as you do and needs it as much as you do. Get freaky with her and enjoy it. Don’t try and purposely mess yourself up so you don’t want sex anymore. That just seems foolish to me.

 

[LK3]

Sometimes. Although there are tens thousands every year in the US alone that continue addictions they wish they could stop until they die (mainly opiates). Sometimes pain isn't enough, sometimes it is. They know they are hurting themselves and others around them to a degree that is hard to imagine and yet they can't stop. My point was - I am doing all the "basic" things that people here have suggested. Trying to get things shifted back to a hormonal discussion - if anyone has any input - since that's what this board is about.


That said, I will plug ibogaine for anyone dealing with a chemical addiction that may be reading this. It is borderline magic for many. Also not for the faint of heart. IMO the only other thing that brings you close to that experience is a death experience, NDE. If someone is struggling from a chemical addiction its the only thing on the planet that can reliably interrupt that addiction for months at a time and help re-equilibriate the limbic system.

with all respect and please understand that these words come from someone who has probably gone farther then anyone here down the rabbit whole of behaviors that would be dubbed addiction and abuse in any clincal setting, the general social concept of addiction is exaggerated almost to the point of being a fallacy.

people make money like all the dr´s you are going to by promoting this. our society proffits from suffering.
thats sicker then any addiction.

opiates fall into a different catagory then actions as they are physically addiction meaning you get real uncomfortably sick coming off of periods of heavy abuse.

the key is you shouldnt let yourself get to that point. or if you got to that point because of long term pain managamant have a game plan for comming off. if thats what you want.

society as a war on conciousness. we deem only one type or mind set correct and healthy. the people who push sobriety seem sick with delusion to me.

sex in the ways your speaking for me has been a lifetime challange for me, probably harder then any drug, i understand where you might be coming from. what im saying is that ppl go through times of use and abuse with all things. deal with your shit yes by all means. but saying its a sickness is a cop out. sex and sexual desire will be with you forever. its a deeply important part of the animals that we are. you are an old animal living in a world youre not made for. access and ability with this that has never been experienced in human history is at your finger tips all day every day. sluttyness and provactive dress and nature are everywhere. you will probably have a much more enjoyable life if you can figure out your mental shit, get right with yourself and not chemically castrate yourself.

a simple recommendation and food for through form someone who has probably done much worse then whats bothering you. lol
no hard feelings. just man up brotha.

 

[swim15]

@LK3 Understand where you are coming from. However, I think the point here is that behavior that becomes uncontrollable, impulsive, and something that you continue to perpetuate despite a deep desire to either stop it or regulate it - is the definition of addiction which is also a disease in the sense of abnormally functioning neural circuitry in the brain. Maybe not so much in the typical sense but it is. I was in the same boat as you a number of years ago in terms of my opinion. The neurology of it is quite complex though and what happens, if you look at brain scans, is that addicts have a very clear "short cut" that develops in the limbic system (that most people do not have) which is typically regulated by the part of the mind that weighs pros/cons and the risks and benefits of a given behavior allowing you to make an internally informed decision.

Addicts brains are very much wired differently. That can arise through a perpetuation of behavior that was originally not a problem or it can be a rapid formation of a new neural pathway when someone uses an exogenous substance.

This is exemplified in my circumstances we have all seen before. I am sure most of us has observed or experienced ourselves a situation where we took a substance typically marked as "likely habit forming" but did not develop an addiction. Example - I was prescribed Adderall for years and took it regularly but never developed a physiological dependence nor did I become addicted to it. Others may form a physiological dependence and not an addiction. Others will form an addiction but may or may not form a physiological dependence.

Same thing when I used xanax for a contest prep to sleep a number of years ago. I developed a physiological dependence and went through a very length period of severe physical withdraw when I quit cold turkey but I did not develop an addiction. They are very two different things when you look at the neural pathways involved in the brain.

I would further say that our society is wrought with addiction but that it is not recognized nearly enough. Fast food, processed sugars, seed oils, social media, advertisements, porn, etc - our society is built on addiction with very few publicly acknowledging the severity as a nation. We as a species have not evolved to a point where we can deal with the society that we have rapidly created when only a few hundred years ago we had none of the technology we have today.

If it were as simple as "man up" then I would have beat this long ago. Its my hope that people begin to recognize it for what it truly is - only then will we be able to compassionately help people.

 

[swim15]

I have a different viewpoint on this topic. I personally don’t think craving sex. All the time is the addiction itself. It’s what you do with it. If your behaviors are falling way out of what is considered normal that is the issue. Not the fact that you’re craving sex. Most of us wish we had a higher sex drive. I’m in my mid 50s now and I long for the days when I needed sex every day or I started feeling Twitchy.

Get a handle on your behaviors associated with the urges for sex. I personally think someone who has a high sex drive is an indication that they’re actually healthy overall.

Get yourself a comparable girlfriend and enjoy your state etc. a girl who likes sex as much as you do and needs it as much as you do. Get freaky with her and enjoy it. Don’t try and purposely mess yourself up so you don’t want sex anymore. That just seems foolish to me.

You hit on the definition of addiction except this has to do with behavioral addiction and not just high libido. High libido is perfectly healthy but compulsive addiction to a rush as often as one can get it is not

 

[swim15]

I'm going to shift this conversation since we have beat the other topics dead. If anyone has any input on what compound they would run solo (if they were not running test) please leave a comment since that is what this thread was for.


On a side note, I am not over a week from stopping scrotal cream and I can already tell that this endavor was exaclty what I needed. I have not felt this clear in mind and purpose in a very long time. My sleep is already getting better and have been more productive the last few days than the last few weeks.

As I said, this is about providing a period to use to shift behavioral patterns and fire and wire new neuronal circuitry. I wholeheartedly believe this was a fantastic path to pursue and I will update occasionally.

Just introduced tren yesterday - going to do 30-40mg/wk for some AR stimulation and see how things go.

 

[swim15]

Swim have you started chelation therapy as of yet?

I had high levels of lead exposure for a decade and a half - went through chelation in 2019ish. Took around 6 weeks for me to test negative.

Your response to me was well thought out and articulate, you have a clear cut grasp on what the issue is and I wish you the absolute best in your endeavors.

Hey man! I'm curous as to what form of testing they used? It should have been a provocation urine challenge test with DMSA or potentially EDTA.

I ask because the patients I've worked with that have high levels typically take anywhere between 20 and 80 IV chelation sessions (1 or 2x per week) to get levels down substantially. If they were just checking blood levels, those will drop rapidly but all of the tissue deposits hand around and continue to mess with physiology quite significantly.

I have done periodic chelation with most of mine being finished. I have used OSR/emeramide primarily for mercury and some DMPS. I am actually going to do 1 or 2 more rounds with both just to get the last bit hanging on

 

[swim15]

On a side note I find it philosophically rather interesting that so many people in this community will load themselves up with drugs (and more drugs to counteract the side effects of the original drugs) in the name of sport or vain interest or just for fun but the idea of withdrawing something in order to address a behavioral health issue gets hit with a lot of backlash. No problem here, I love this community and have learned a lot over the years here. Interesting nonetheless though


One thing I did not mention is that I am trialing this option for a local SA 12 step group. If I have good results I am going to take it to that group and outline my thoughts. These are guys that have struggled severely with sex addiction for years, sometimes their entire lives and many have been incarcerated because of it. If a little hormone deprivation is something that ultimately brings a lifeline to others that have struggled their whole lives then this will be a monumental success in my book.

 

[LK3]

@LK3 Understand where you are coming from. However, I think the point here is that behavior that becomes uncontrollable, impulsive, and something that you continue to perpetuate despite a deep desire to either stop it or regulate it - is the definition of addiction which is also a disease in the sense of abnormally functioning neural circuitry in the brain. Maybe not so much in the typical sense but it is. I was in the same boat as you a number of years ago in terms of my opinion. The neurology of it is quite complex though and what happens, if you look at brain scans, is that addicts have a very clear "short cut" that develops in the limbic system (that most people do not have) which is typically regulated by the part of the mind that weighs pros/cons and the risks and benefits of a given behavior allowing you to make an internally informed decision.

Addicts brains are very much wired differently. That can arise through a perpetuation of behavior that was originally not a problem or it can be a rapid formation of a new neural pathway when someone uses an exogenous substance.

This is exemplified in my circumstances we have all seen before. I am sure most of us has observed or experienced ourselves a situation where we took a substance typically marked as "likely habit forming" but did not develop an addiction. Example - I was prescribed Adderall for years and took it regularly but never developed a physiological dependence nor did I become addicted to it. Others may form a physiological dependence and not an addiction. Others will form an addiction but may or may not form a physiological dependence.

Same thing when I used xanax for a contest prep to sleep a number of years ago. I developed a physiological dependence and went through a very length period of severe physical withdraw when I quit cold turkey but I did not develop an addiction. They are very two different things when you look at the neural pathways involved in the brain.

I would further say that our society is wrought with addiction but that it is not recognized nearly enough. Fast food, processed sugars, seed oils, social media, advertisements, porn, etc - our society is built on addiction with very few publicly acknowledging the severity as a nation. We as a species have not evolved to a point where we can deal with the society that we have rapidly created when only a few hundred years ago we had none of the technology we have today.

If it were as simple as "man up" then I would have beat this long ago. Its my hope that people begin to recognize it for what it truly is - only then will we be able to compassionately help people.

i just see all that as excuses.
whatever you did created it. doing different stuff will uncreate it.
it really is just that simple. just because something is simple doesnt make it easy. generally its easier to continue with "bad" behaviors.

you say your in medical school so really you want this all to be a disease that you can treat and not take personal responsibility for.

regarding chelation, glutathione does this and helps in other ways. thats like super basic info. do super high dose nac if not. here again these are basics that most should be doing if you have mental issues.

people today a just weak and want someone to help them get over things they should do on there own. thats all that is and you are knee deep in that system.

part of me wants to throw out numbers on my areas of abuse just so you gain some perspective but then it just sounds like a my dick is bigger then yours contest. a lil addy and xanax is nothing dude. you seem to have your mind set that you and others are sick. when really its just bored and weak and not having better shit to do or healthy environment and relationships. i have none of that and can still make changes. you can too. but you need to take responsibility.


backing off of hrt i dont necesarily disagree with as it may help you to make changes in your behavior, but you can also do it without. thats the simple fact. YOU CAN. you choose not to.

 

[LK3]

On a side note I find it philosophically rather interesting that so many people in this community will load themselves up with drugs (and more drugs to counteract the side effects of the original drugs) in the name of sport or vain interest or just for fun but the idea of withdrawing something in order to address a behavioral health issue gets hit with a lot of backlash. No problem here, I love this community and have learned a lot over the years here. Interesting nonetheless though

this is a community of heavy drug addicts. most are delusional and think they are not. what do you really expect. everybody seems to have the my drug is better then your drug attitude when really its all the same, gym, big macks or smack. just different side effects, consiquences and social ramifications.

 

[Performance Based]

Hey man! I'm curous as to what form of testing they used? It should have been a provocation urine challenge test with DMSA or potentially EDTA.

I ask because the patients I've worked with that have high levels typically take anywhere between 20 and 80 IV chelation sessions (1 or 2x per week) to get levels down substantially. If they were just checking blood levels, those will drop rapidly but all of the tissue deposits hand around and continue to mess with physiology quite significantly.

I have done periodic chelation with most of mine being finished. I have used OSR/emeramide primarily for mercury and some DMPS. I am actually going to do 1 or 2 more rounds with both just to get the last bit hanging on

I sincerely wish I had an articulate answer. If memory serves is was 3 sessions alternating with 2 sessions the following week and repeat.

Was done through a non profit with my former command in the Navy.

I only remember blood work being taken outside of that I honestly couldn’t say mate

 

[carbs]

Take high dose deca for a while with no caber etc. That shit killed my libido and dick.

I'm not recommending it though.
Having a high sex drive is amazing.

You are blessed. Nothing last forever. Leave it alone. Enjoy it while you have it.

 

[goback2013]

this is a community of heavy drug addicts. most are delusional and think they are not. what do you really expect. everybody seems to have the my drug is better then your drug attitude when really its all the same, gym, big macks or smack. just different side effects, consiquences and social ramifications.

This is so many facts. Not even funny.