Which do you prefer CJC Dac or CJC NO Dac

[phosphorylation]

How the F are some of you guys dosing 2mg+ in one shot. Just hit 1mg and head felt like it was gonna explode, heart was racing, tingling/itchy over my body and raised patch of skin where I injected.

That's what I'm saying! I did find that IM didn't give me any irritation though. SQ got me almost every time. Has anyone actually monitored their BP after a big shot of DAC?

 

[Gators]

I have been doing 2.5 mg a week of dac(once a week) for a few weeks now. I have been sick for two of those so training is pretty much not possible, but my body fat is down some and Im looking pretty good. I plan on keeping it up, and adding 10ius of gh a week with it to.

From what i've read, you're better off choosing one or the other... if it was me, i'd jack the dac up to 5 mg a wk and save the GH...try that for a few weeks and see what your research yields...

i've found that research went better at no more than 1mg / shot, preferably 3/4 mg every day.

 

[nikehotel]

Gator, experience sides @ that dose? My ergopep order came in, going to research 1.25 Mgs a week for 20 weeks. My rat has a bit of tendinitis, so he took his peps last night & it's magically gone this morning.

 

[Gators]

My research has shown that a diuretic does wonders in eliminating the sides, which are all due to fluid retention, IMO.

 

[ballennonstop]

Gator, experience sides @ that dose? My ergopep order came in, going to research 1.25 Mgs a week for 20 weeks. My rat has a bit of tendinitis, so he took his peps last night & it's magically gone this morning.

Don't think that's enough IMO

 

[lordsks]

wow looking at the poll results right now and I'm shocked to see this. 6 months ago no one was openly anyway talking or logging there DAC research, it was all about how the bleed wasn't good for you and how ghrp/modgrf 100mcg 3x's a day was the best protocol. I'm just wondering if this is a jump on the bandwagon and use DAC cause a couple of guys praise it and say how the guys at "Gold's Venice" are all using it.

 

[DrNat]

GH Bleed does still happen. DAC even with research subjects should not be used long term.. ModGRF/GHRP is still better for long term.

Research DAC every few months and give the research subject pituitary a break !

 

[magnus82]

GH Bleed does still happen. DAC even with research subjects should not be used long term.. ModGRF/GHRP is still better for long term.

Research DAC every few months and give the research subject pituitary a break !

:yeahthat: Exactly!

 

[Oblix]

GH Bleed does still happen. DAC even with research subjects should not be used long term.. ModGRF/GHRP is still better for long term.

Research DAC every few months and give the research subject pituitary a break !

Which of the 3 below options would you recommend, purely for hypothetical research purposes:

1: 3 Times per day - 100mcg GRHP + 100mcg MOD GRF(1-29), then 30min later 2iu HGH. Taken Indefinitely

or

2: 3 Times per day - 100mcg GRHP and prebed 500mcg CJC-1295 w Dac. Taken for 12 Weeks.

Then hgh taken 3 times per day at 2iu by itself. Taken for 12 weeks.

Then go back to the GRHP/CJC combo and etc.

or

3: 3 Times per day - 100mcg GRHP and prebed 500mcg CJC-1295 w Dac. Taken for 12 Weeks.

Then 3 Times per day - 100mcg GRHP + 100mcg MOD GRF(1-29), then 30min later 2iu HGH. Taken for 12 weeks.

Then go back to the GRHP/CJC combo and etc.

 

[Gators]

GH Bleed does still happen. DAC even with research subjects should not be used long term.. ModGRF/GHRP is still better for long term.

Research DAC every few months and give the research subject pituitary a break !

A real Dr, RussianStar, begs to differ.

 

[Calpoly]

I just started DAC at 1mg per day... Anyone feel like a sleeping zombie?

 

[BEASTZ6]

Use cjcw/o and ghrp2 very happy with results so hav'nt tried cjc w dac.

This is the way to go from the extensive research I have done.

 

[DrNat]

A real Dr, RussianStar, begs to differ.

You going to insult all my posts now

I dont need to re write this, Dat explained it perfectly well.

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Why you dont want to continually do DAC.

"Cell-to-cell communication is also likely to reflect the density and proximity of adjacent cells as GH responsiveness (but not sensitivity) to GHRH is enhanced at higher densities and basal GH release is greatest at low densities."

"Cell-to-cell contact may therefore affect the cellular integrity of somatotrophs because GH synthesis or secretory granule storage may be better maintained in high density cell concentration then in low-density concentrations." - Growth Hormone, Stephen Harvey

What happens is cells in the pituitary communicate. They self organize and create a firing network for coordinated growth hormone release. This communication creates a high density of GH releasing cells. They are in close proximity through their communicatory network. The cells have specific spatial relationships that may be modulated by peripheral endocrines. These include sex steroids, thyroid hormones, glucorticoids and even the pancreatic and gut hormones. Their spatial relationship is also effected by physiological state such as nutrient status, age and pregnancy.

As a quick example, corticotroph, thyrotrophs and folliculostellate cells are in close proximity to somatotrophs and communicate with them through gap junctions (almost like just reaching out and touching signaling). They have the potential to effect and be effected by their neighbors.

What happens when you have GHRH always around is you force these somatotrophs to release GH because they are sensitive to the GHRH binding to them and effecting release. By constantly occupying you are preventing them from coordinating with surrounding cell populations. You force these cells to act as low density subpopulations. Basal GH release is greatest when you can disperse the spatial relationship between somatotrophs and that is what an always on GHRH will do.

CJC-1295 as an always on GHRH will force upon somatotrophs loner behavior with a single constant chore. This reduces GH responsiveness as this only occurs when somatotrophs can communicate, self organize and maintain social relationships with the surrounding community. These types of social somatotrophs are better able to make and store GH then the loner cells.

So CJC-1295 seems to disperse somatotrophs and enslave them getting less from them then if it had just let them congregate in towns and cities.

Aging has an effect on the vitality of city centers as well and as we age these somatotroph population centers become less vigorous. By using a more physiological GHRH such as modified GRF(1-29) together with a modulator GHRP-2 we revitalize that inner city and allow our cells to be more social and thus more productive. If instead we choose to use CJC-1295 we not only fail to remedy the problem associated with age , but we may end up exacerbating it.

I conjecture that it also makes them better neighbors to corticotroph, thyrotrophs and folliculostellate cells as well.

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But hey do what you want, its your body.

 

[Gators]

You going to insult all my posts now

Well, i might miss a couple...

First of all, i don't think you're a DR, i mean honestly, what kind of MD would prescribe the HCG diet, not to mention i'm pretty sure it's not legal, and no MD would prescribe a compound for something it's never been labeled for.

2ndly, you were awful quick to send a link to a NON SPONSOR who sells HCG, so something definitely hinky going on there.

So yeah, i'm quite sure you're a scammer here hawking HCG, and you'll be banned soon, so adios.

 

[DrNat]

Well, i might miss a couple...

First of all, i don't think you're a DR, i mean honestly, what kind of MD would prescribe the HCG diet, not to mention i'm pretty sure it's not legal, and no MD would prescribe a compound for something it's never been labeled for.

2ndly, you were awful quick to send a link to a NON SPONSOR who sells HCG, so something definitely hinky going on there.

So yeah, i'm quite sure you're a scammer here hawking HCG, and you'll be banned soon, so adios.

I dont care what you think, many MD prescribe off label, you have no idea, you are not in the medical field obviously, you and sammy555 can go on a hate crusade all you like, if a sponsor sells hCG then great, i did not know. Since registering and out off all my posts I have mentioned hCG once, I was asked where to get it from, i gave a place i trust, i get nothing back, i make nothing back except getting crap from people like you.

Im not wasting my time explaining over and over why i suggested hCG once along with 2 other options, you will continue to make arguments and clog up threads wasting peoples time.


Others will value what give, i will do my best not to waste peoples time reading petty arguments. I do a lot of research and reading that goes above most peoples head, and then i summarise it in a way they can understand.
You contribute nothing valuable, i have nothing more to say.

 

[DrNat]

Which of the 3 below options would you recommend, purely for hypothetical research purposes:

1: 3 Times per day - 100mcg GRHP + 100mcg MOD GRF(1-29), then 30min later 2iu HGH. Taken Indefinitely

or

2: 3 Times per day - 100mcg GRHP and prebed 500mcg CJC-1295 w Dac. Taken for 12 Weeks.

Then hgh taken 3 times per day at 2iu by itself. Taken for 12 weeks.

Then go back to the GRHP/CJC combo and etc.

or

3: 3 Times per day - 100mcg GRHP and prebed 500mcg CJC-1295 w Dac. Taken for 12 Weeks.

Then 3 Times per day - 100mcg GRHP + 100mcg MOD GRF(1-29), then 30min later 2iu HGH. Taken for 12 weeks.

Then go back to the GRHP/CJC combo and etc.

What is your aim ?
Number 1. but drop the HGH.

if it was purely for research purposes then do Number 1 for 12 weeks, then for 8 weeks do 4-5mg of DAC a week, 3x GHRP-2 a day along with huperzine a 200mg 2-3x a day. Then repeat, that way you do DAC cycle 2x a year, i feel better when researching it is done that way instead of continual use. If i read something that suggests even that is too much for the pituitary ill post it up. keep an eye one prolactin and cortisol levels also. Some liposomal vitamin C would be a good idea to take to control them.

 

[Oblix]

What is your aim ?
Number 1. but drop the HGH.

if it was purely for research purposes then do Number 1 for 12 weeks, then for 8 weeks do 4-5mg of DAC a week, 3x GHRP-2 a day along with huperzine a 200mg 2-3x a day. Then repeat, that way you do DAC cycle 2x a year, i feel better when researching it is done that way instead of continual use. If i read something that suggests even that is too much for the pituitary ill post it up. keep an eye one prolactin and cortisol levels also. Some liposomal vitamin C would be a good idea to take to control them.

The study I am reading about is about trying to build as much muscle and burn as much fat as possible while also trying to improve joint strength.

So a research study could give the pituitary a break by just switching back and forth from CJC-1295 DAC (8weeks) to Mod GRF(1-29) (12 weeks)?

No total break from peptides is needed?

Why drop the HGH?

 

[DrNat]

The study I am reading about is about trying to build as much muscle and burn as much fat as possible while also trying to improve joint strength.

So a research study could give the pituitary a break by just switching back and forth from CJC-1295 DAC (8weeks) to Mod GRF(1-29) (12 weeks)?

No total break from peptides is needed?

Why drop the HGH?

The HGH will give added benefit, is it needed? Most likely not. Endogenous will always be better than Exogenous HGH.

You may do a break like this
Jan - Feb - March Option 1
April-May DAC
June - Break one month
July - August - September Option 1
October - November DAC
December - Break one month

But that is just a made up time, i am still looking for long term studies... Ipam and ModGRF would be safer long term, GHRP-2 you again need to watch out for cortisol and prolactin.

If you really didnt want a break you could always do HGH in one of the breaks but i would just give it a break....

 

[Gators]

I dont care what you think, many MD prescribe off label, you have no idea, you are not in the medical field obviously, you and sammy555 can go on a hate crusade all you like, if a sponsor sells hCG then great, i did not know. Since registering and out off all my posts I have mentioned hCG once, I was asked where to get it from, i gave a place i trust, i get nothing back, i make nothing back except getting crap from people like you.

Im not wasting my time explaining over and over why i suggested hCG once along with 2 other options, you will continue to make arguments and clog up threads wasting peoples time.


Others will value what give, i will do my best not to waste peoples time reading petty arguments. I do a lot of research and reading that goes above most peoples head, and then i summarise it in a way they can understand.
You contribute nothing valuable, i have nothing more to say.

The HCG diet is a quack diet, pure and simple, no way in hell any reputable MD would prescribe that, it's a bunch of crap. And it's awful coincidental you were quick to send someone a link to someone who sold HCG, hmmm. Dude, do a quick google search and see what's being said about this absurd diet, that you would even suggest it tells me you're full of crap at best, and at worst pimping product...

I don't hate you, i really could care less one way or the other about you, but i call it like i see it, so sorry if you think i'm "out to get you", but do i look out for the community here, sure.

 

[sammy555]

Why does this fucking hcg diet bollocks keep coming up ever where. This is an advanced bodybuilding forum not fad bullshit diet to sell some hcg forum. Seriously people on hear know better than to buy into that bullshit. Show me one shredded person with a decent amount of muscle that used the Hcg diet, just one:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

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