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Who here is at least 500mg testo more than 12 weeks

Time ago when i compted the highest testo used was 500gr week and i was a bear of 94kg with 168 cm cant imagine what highest dose can give to me..
At the moment i am on 280mg weekly and i am fine with gains and sides under control.
 
Most cruising doses are 750mg to 1000mg and I believe empirical data indicates up to 600mgs causing no adverse affects.


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Most cruising doses are 750mg to 1000mg and I believe empirical data indicates up to 600mgs causing no adverse affects.


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Peoples experiences would beg to differ. Pretty sure the following is more accurate:

-some guys are gonna have trouble with E2 levels
-possibly high hemocratic levels
-cholesterol will prob get outta whack
-Not to mention likely to ruin HPTA depending...

those are just the usual suspects.
-F2S
 
Peoples experiences would beg to differ. Pretty sure the following is more accurate:

-some guys are gonna have trouble with E2 levels
-possibly high hemocratic levels
-cholesterol will prob get outta whack
-Not to mention likely to ruin HPTA depending...

those are just the usual suspects.
-F2S

Exactly.

At the end of the day, if E2 is manageable, sex drive is ok, and hematocrit doesn't creep up, I don't see it being an issue.
 
Peoples experiences would beg to differ. Pretty sure the following is more accurate:

-some guys are gonna have trouble with E2 levels
-possibly high hemocratic levels
-cholesterol will prob get outta whack
-Not to mention likely to ruin HPTA depending...

those are just the usual suspects.
-F2S

What does the dose have to do with hpta?
 
What does the dose have to do with hpta?

it prob doesn't. but that was the does HE said is totally safe and has no ill side effects so that's what I quoted....
-F2S
 
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I believe empirical data indicates up to 600mgs causing no adverse affects.


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Pleaseeeee stop spreading BS!!! Unless you can provide the said data
 
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Watch the muscleinsider on YouTube. The doctor states the same.


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He also states to use arimidex and other ancillaries.


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Watch the muscleinsider on YouTube. The doctor states the same.

There used to be a doctor here who'd say you could go forever on test/tren.

Docs don't know these things. There are no serious, controlled studies done.

When someone with a diploma talks bro-science, it's still bro-science.
 
Check it out. I think you'd like it


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Then considering people are not scare about high dose of testosterone rightly.. What about to use an ai such aromasin in long term to hold off E2 ?
 
Then considering people are not scare about high dose of testosterone rightly.. What about to use an ai such aromasin in long term to hold off E2 ?

It's bad.

Risks include changes in bone density, lipid profiles, vision and cognition.

Your best bet long term is a TRT dose that doesn't require an AI and a few blasts every year
 
It would require someone to have greatttt genetics to be able to run 600mgs for months without any side effects. One out of millions

You have to manage e2, which requires AIs, and AIs have their own side effects... gotta have good cholestrol, no water retention, low psa, low hematocrit, good blood pressure... and other shit we regularly check.
 
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Honestly, it's ALL speculation. There are no GREAT studies either way, long-term at least.

Some can use gear their whole life and be fine (I think I saw someone on here who stated they used 500-1000mg test/week for 20 years and never had a single issue). Some can do it once or twice and wreck themselves even WITH proper protocols. and then there are the latent issues that we just don't know about, and can't ever "prove" if they were even caused be AAS use.

Genetic response/tolerability of AAS is HUGE.

The study looking at 600mg/week was done for 20 weeks, and those people weren't followed long-term. From a short term POV, it looks like they had no real issues with 600mg/week for 20 weeks. Which is a good thing to at least see and have in the ol' database.

But even those saying "just do TRT and blast a few times per year" - well, there are no "studies" showing this to be the best. It's speculation, although it does seem to be intuitive.

But considering what I know of medicine (just a dumb MD here), I know that few things are rarely intuitive, which is why good double blind placebo-controlled RCT's are needed.

I would say it's going to come down to the individual (I know, I already said that).

I DO think cycling is worse for a person's health. PCT is, in my opinion, insane. If you're going to commit to many cycles, then I think one needs to commit to TRT. If only a couple cycles, then yeah I can maybe see PCT being fine, or just doing nothing and letting things kick back in on their own.

But again, this is speculation, even.

Just accept the risks YOU are willing to accept.

I have accepted there is are risks of even being on TRT, but there are studies that are fairly convincing showing even worse outcomes for long term low T.

I have also accepted the risks of blasting for prob more than half the year. I get bloods every 6-8 weeks. And even then bloods prob don't tell the whole story, but it's what we have.

Life is short. You risk dying every day. Minimize risk the best you can in your own situation, based on your goals. I think that's the best you can do.
 
There used to be a doctor here who'd say you could go forever on test/tren.

Docs don't know these things. There are no serious, controlled studies done.

When someone with a diploma talks bro-science, it's still bro-science.

Allex who was that doc ?
I hope it wasn't Alpha !! lol :confused:

u can PM me if u want. cheers mate
 
I've done it without a problem on every cycle, just proper pct and you'll be good.


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Allex who was that doc ?
I hope it wasn't Alpha !! lol :confused:

u can PM me if u want. cheers mate

Long time, I don't remember. The lambo guy from Florida, did he go by Alpha too? I think he did...
 
Dr G.....I liked what he had to say actually, too bad a couple higher ups did not...
 

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