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A guy I train wtih takes a TON of peptides

Serious peptide use with mild gear use?? Interesting.. What are his goals?
I think most who lie about gear use will say outrageous things like this. It's not even the best bang for the buck at that point, tons of peps and little to no gear.

Let's be honest here, peptides without gear will give some ok results at best. Just as GH without gear would. These are just the icing on the cake....you don't get huge just on GH, whether it be exogenous or boosting your own endogenous gh with peps....

Unless he's a 140lbs shredded, soaking wet..... [emoji4]
 
I wouldn't run dac with GH. Honestly from experience, dac is only good when you get sick of pinning so much peps and just want to "cruise" on a pep to retain some fullness and other effects of gh.

You can run igf1-lr3 with GH. GH morning or preworkout and igf1 postworkout.

Best to run with GH from a peptide standpoint is a ghrp/modgrf combo. Pin peps in the AM, wait around 15mins for the pulse to get going then pin the gh to ride with the pulse of natural gh.

Here's the protocol I will be following:

Ghrp2/modgrf1 at 200/100mcgs AM
GH 5iu after 10-15 mins
Morning shake 15 mins later
Workout in the evening 6pm
Postworkout ghrp2/modgrf1 - immediately after workout in the car :)
Meal 30 mins later
Ghrp2/modgrf1 prebed around 10-11pm
 
I wouldn't run dac with GH. Honestly from experience, dac is only good when you get sick of pinning so much peps and just want to "cruise" on a pep to retain some fullness and other effects of gh.

You can run igf1-lr3 with GH. GH morning or preworkout and igf1 postworkout.

Best to run with GH from a peptide standpoint is a ghrp/modgrf combo. Pin peps in the AM, wait around 15mins for the pulse to get going then pin the gh to ride with the pulse of natural gh.

Here's the protocol I will be following:

Ghrp2/modgrf1 at 200/100mcgs AM
GH 5iu after 10-15 mins
Morning shake 15 mins later
Workout in the evening 6pm
Postworkout ghrp2/modgrf1 - immediately after workout in the car :)
Meal 30 mins later
Ghrp2/modgrf1 prebed around 10-11pm
Igf1 post workout? Come on brotha!
 
Running ghrp/ghrh with igf 1 lr3 is counterproductive I've talked about that a few times
 
Lr3 is long acting, you can inject it anytime really. Tons of different protocols out there and they all ended with similar results. I'd take it post if I was taking peps or gh preworkout.
You should learn a little about mgf's role and what IGF being injected post workout does to it.
 
You should learn a little about mgf's role and what IGF being injected post workout does to it.
I'll read up on it some more. Maybe its not the most effective but it works, lr3 is long acting. Honeslty I'd take it in the morning or preworkout but it depends on what else you are taking and when.
 
In the OP
Oh I see, thought you were responding to me. I'd like to know when the OP is administering what?

I don't see any issue with running igf1-lr3 preworkout with ghrp/ghrh am, postworkout, and prebed.

What's your reasoning for them being counterproductive?
 
IGF-1 administration negates GHRPs & hinders GHRH's GH release

Effects of Recombinant Human Insulin-Like Growth Factor I Administration on Growth Hormone (GH) Secretion, Both Spontaneous and Stimulated by GH Releasing Hormone or Hexarelin, a Peptidyl GH Secretagogue, in Humans, E. Ghigo, J Clin Endocrinol Metab 84: 285–290, 1999

ABSTRACT

The negative feedback exerted by insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) on GH secretion occurs at the pituitary, as well as the hypothalamic level, via stimulation of SS (Somatostatin) and/or inhibition of GHRH release. In fact, recombinant human IGF-I (rhIGF-I) administration inhibits basal GH secretion, at least in fasted humans, though its effect on the GH response to GHRH is still controversial. GH secretagogues (GHS) are peptidyl and nonpeptidyl molecules that act on specific receptors at the pituitary and/or the hypothalamic level. Contrary to GHRH, the GH-releasing activity of GHS is strong, reproducible, and even partially refractory to inhibitory influences such as exogenous somatostatin.

We studied the effects of rhIGF-I administration (20 mg/kg sc at 0 min) on GH secretion, either spontaneous or stimulated by GHRH (2 mg/kg iv at + 180 min) or Hexarelin (HEX, 2.0 mg/kg iv at + 180 min), a GHS, in eight normal young women (age, mean 6 SEM, 28.3 +- 1.2 yr; body mass index, 20.1 +- 0.5 kg/m2). rhIGF-I administration increased IGF-I levels (peak vs. baseline: 420.3 +- 30.5 vs. 274.4 +- 25.3 mg/L, P , 0.05) within the physiological range from +120 to +300 min. No variation in glucose or insulin levels was recorded. rhIGF-I did not reduce spontaneous GH secretion [areas under curves (AUC)0–300 min 140.6 +- 66.3 vs. 114.6 +- 32.1 mg/L.h], whereas it inhibited the GH response to both GHRH (AUC180–300 min 447.7 +- 159.4 vs. 715.9 +- 104.3 mg/L.h, P , 0.05) and HEX (620.3 +- 110.4 vs. 1705.9 +- 328.9 mg/L.h, P , 0.03). The percent inhibitory effect of rhIGF-I on the GH response to GHRH (41.7 +- 12.8%) was lower than that on the response to HEX (57.7 +- 11.0%). In fact, the GHresponse toGHRHalone was clearly lower than that to HEX alone (P,0.05), whereas the GH responses to GHRH and HEX were similar after rhIGF-I.

Our findings show that the sc administration of low rhIGF-I doses inhibits the GH response to GHRH and, even more, that to HEX; whereas, at least in this experimental design in fed conditions, it does not modify the spontaneous GH secretion. Because GHS generally show partial refractoriness to inhibitory inputs, including exogenous somatostatin, the present results point toward a peculiar sensitivity of GHS to the negative feedback action of IGF-I.
 
I'll read up on it some more. Maybe its not the most effective but it works, lr3 is long acting. Honeslty I'd take it in the morning or preworkout but it depends on what else you are taking and when.
How many times are you going to tell me it's long acting? Find some real DES..use that..pre or during workout. Thank me later. Ditch the supposed lr3.
I'd stop giving out advice too..
 
IGF-1 administration negates GHRPs & hinders GHRH's GH release

Effects of Recombinant Human Insulin-Like Growth Factor I Administration on Growth Hormone (GH) Secretion, Both Spontaneous and Stimulated by GH Releasing Hormone or Hexarelin, a Peptidyl GH Secretagogue, in Humans, E. Ghigo, J Clin Endocrinol Metab 84: 285–290, 1999

ABSTRACT

The negative feedback exerted by insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) on GH secretion occurs at the pituitary, as well as the hypothalamic level, via stimulation of SS (Somatostatin) and/or inhibition of GHRH release. In fact, recombinant human IGF-I (rhIGF-I) administration inhibits basal GH secretion, at least in fasted humans, though its effect on the GH response to GHRH is still controversial. GH secretagogues (GHS) are peptidyl and nonpeptidyl molecules that act on specific receptors at the pituitary and/or the hypothalamic level. Contrary to GHRH, the GH-releasing activity of GHS is strong, reproducible, and even partially refractory to inhibitory influences such as exogenous somatostatin.

We studied the effects of rhIGF-I administration (20 mg/kg sc at 0 min) on GH secretion, either spontaneous or stimulated by GHRH (2 mg/kg iv at + 180 min) or Hexarelin (HEX, 2.0 mg/kg iv at + 180 min), a GHS, in eight normal young women (age, mean 6 SEM, 28.3 +- 1.2 yr; body mass index, 20.1 +- 0.5 kg/m2). rhIGF-I administration increased IGF-I levels (peak vs. baseline: 420.3 +- 30.5 vs. 274.4 +- 25.3 mg/L, P , 0.05) within the physiological range from +120 to +300 min. No variation in glucose or insulin levels was recorded. rhIGF-I did not reduce spontaneous GH secretion [areas under curves (AUC)0–300 min 140.6 +- 66.3 vs. 114.6 +- 32.1 mg/L.h], whereas it inhibited the GH response to both GHRH (AUC180–300 min 447.7 +- 159.4 vs. 715.9 +- 104.3 mg/L.h, P , 0.05) and HEX (620.3 +- 110.4 vs. 1705.9 +- 328.9 mg/L.h, P , 0.03). The percent inhibitory effect of rhIGF-I on the GH response to GHRH (41.7 +- 12.8%) was lower than that on the response to HEX (57.7 +- 11.0%). In fact, the GHresponse toGHRHalone was clearly lower than that to HEX alone (P,0.05), whereas the GH responses to GHRH and HEX were similar after rhIGF-I.

Our findings show that the sc administration of low rhIGF-I doses inhibits the GH response to GHRH and, even more, that to HEX; whereas, at least in this experimental design in fed conditions, it does not modify the spontaneous GH secretion. Because GHS generally show partial refractoriness to inhibitory inputs, including exogenous somatostatin, the present results point toward a peculiar sensitivity of GHS to the negative feedback action of IGF-I.
I'm not understanding, did they administer them at the same time?
 
How many times are you going to tell me it's long acting? Find some real DES..use that..pre or during workout. Thank me later. Ditch the supposed lr3.
I'd stop giving out advice too..
Thanks for the typical arrogant, confrontational reply....why would I expect anything different?

I'll give out the advice I want to give out. Why don't you worry about you and let me worry about me? You provided no input other then "you're wrong, I'm right...go read"....typical bullshit.

There's theories, studies, and the real world results.....
 
Thanks for the typical arrogant, confrontational reply....why would I expect anything different?

I'll give out the advice I want to give out. Why don't you worry about you and let me worry about me? You provided no input other then "you're wrong, I'm right...go read"....typical bullshit.

There's theories, studies, and the real world results.....
There's fucking science too. Try that. You need to learn the relationship between igf and mgf and how igf will shut off the production of mgf which is what you want. Stop being a baby and learn. Giving people dogmatic advice is just silly and if you're going to regurgitate information, you may as well learn what is up to date and factual.
 
Then again...you probably think igf lr3 raises igf levels...
 
Science doesn't fall under theory or studies....noted.

I'm being a baby lol ok [emoji23]

You can't respond to me without attacking me so I'll just ignore you and your garbage.

Btw it's been noted that the MGF shut down was not as significant as believed and that the increase in IGF was worth it since it resulted in more growth regardless. It's opinion, for every study proving one thing there is another proving the opposite.
 
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We studied the effects of rhIGF-I administration (20 mg/kg sc at 0 min) on GH secretion


either spontaneous or stimulated by GHRH (2 mg/kg iv at + 180 min) or Hexarelin (HEX, 2.0 mg/kg iv at + 180 min)


I'm not understanding, did they administer them at the same time?
Injected igf1 at 0 minute and hexarelin or ghrh at 180minute (3 hours later)
 
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Then again...you probably think igf lr3 raises igf levels...
If you look at the studies I just posted it does.....


But they didn't use igf lr3 though
 
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Injected igf1 at 0 minute and hexarelin or ghrh at 180minute (3 hours later)

Thanks missed that. That's interesting. The good news is, that it didn't blunt it completely it only reduced it. It also didn't blunt the natural pulses at all if I read that correctly.

This may be possible to avoid if the ghrp/ghrh is injected prior to igf1 but it sounds like it still may reduce it especially lr3 depending on timing.
 
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