Anabolic cycles with little test

[Jeremy24]

I have to say it depends from person to person. I know guys that run test as low as 150 mg per week, but are crushing npp and tren and look hard as nails and big as shit lol. But i also know guys on 2 grams of test that have the same look. I personally have never done anything without a decet amount of test mixed in. 500 test/500 deca = great results. 500 test/300tren ace= better results. same mass just harder, leaner and more vascular. 750 test/ 40 mgs dbol (calorie deficit) w/ ai looked great hard and lean. lost bodyfat while bodyweight only flucuated 3-4 lbs.

I would like to try a cycle with a small amount of test and up the anabolics and see what happens.

100mgs prop-m/w/f
100 mgs npp-m/w/f
100mgs. tren ace-m/w/f
100mgs mast-m/w/f

id like to see what look i could get from that. basically 1200mgs total AAS. 900 of them coming from anabolic over androgens

 

[saps]

I have to say it depends from person to person. I know guys that run test as low as 150 mg per week, but are crushing npp and tren and look hard as nails and big as shit lol. But i also know guys on 2 grams of test that have the same look. I personally have never done anything without a decet amount of test mixed in. 500 test/500 deca = great results. 500 test/300tren ace= better results. same mass just harder, leaner and more vascular. 750 test/ 40 mgs dbol (calorie deficit) w/ ai looked great hard and lean. lost bodyfat while bodyweight only flucuated 3-4 lbs.

I would like to try a cycle with a small amount of test and up the anabolics and see what happens.

100mgs prop-m/w/f
100 mgs npp-m/w/f
100mgs. tren ace-m/w/f
100mgs mast-m/w/f

id like to see what look i could get from that. basically 1200mgs total AAS. 900 of them coming from anabolic over androgens

I'd be leary of running both nor19's concurrently. Also tren ace really should be pinned ED, the gap from friday to monday is really too long for stability levels and IMO even EOD is sub-optimal. Its the fluctuation in levels that can give some guys the extreme sides

 

[grizzly978]

My first cycle used sust at 250 mg as my base. Also had eq at 800 a week( barely could do any cardio my bp was so high.) And I used masteron ethnate. Straight lean mass, it put on around 20 pounds of pure muscle in 10 weeks. Best cycle imo but eq just really brought out pre existing anxiety lmao. Test is best!

 

[kid1dakota]

Have to say that early on I used to just run cycles of just dbol, eq, or tren. I always made good results and felt fairly healthy. Logically it makes sense to be on at least 100 mg/wk test because the steroids are going to shut you down and you probably need some test in your system, but I felt just fine doing those cycles without. Long ago I had some really insane results from just using the tren acetate from the pellets, nothing else and I was using it transdermal with dmso! I actually looked better doing that then the cycles when I used lots of test. I do think though if I were to run cycles like that again I would take HRT dose of test with it.

I am a believer of this also!!

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/78613-holy-shiznit-tren.html

 

[Jeremy24]

I'd be leary of running both nor19's concurrently. Also tren ace really should be pinned ED, the gap from friday to monday is really too long for stability levels and IMO even EOD is sub-optimal. Its the fluctuation in levels that can give some guys the extreme sides

Ive ran ace eod day with no problems the blood level flucations arent what everyone thinks they are. shit ive ran 100 mgs of tne m/w/f with no problems with the recommendation of Massive G.

 

[saps]

Ive ran ace eod day with no problems the blood level flucations arent what everyone thinks they are. shit ive ran 100 mgs of tne m/w/f with no problems with the recommendation of Massive G.

Fair enough, have you also run both nor19's concurrently before? If you have and if you didn't get gimped than you are a rare individual

 

[paulwigan]

I have only ran low dose single cycles and can get put weight on easily but struggle to stay lean with it

Test got me big and strong fast on 250mg per week but struggled to cope with the sexual sides and permanent horn, but it made me get big and fat fast as well as muscle growth

Stanozolol oral at 50-60 mg per day made me big and stong but leaner

Dianabol got me big and lean on 50 mg per day but lost everything when i stopped it

Oxymethelone made me strong but felt like poo

Each to their own but people who stay lean easy tend to benefit from test from what i have seen. But every one is different and what works for one wil not work for another

 

[TNH]

I feel that other drugs are better than test for results/looks. However, I think lower dosed test is the safest steroid you can use.

I have read a study about deca being harder on arteries than testosterone.
I think deca (well, NPP) is a great drug results wise, but I don't want to use it after reading the study.
I like primo in high doses, won't touch EQ due to anxiety. So for me, a little test is best. If I were purely interested in results and didn't care about health, I'd be switching between Deca(NPP) and Tren. Mast and primo would be in there, and D-bol/Var would be alternated in and out. I'd only use test if I needed a base to keep my libido up.

 

[raw33man]

TNH can you be more specific about deca sides taht you read in the article ?

 

[LATS]

i had the honor of talking to a well known bodybuilder of the 80's in the old aau and wabba orgs.. great guy and even in his 50's is very yoked and in great shape.. he had no issues telling me that he never used test until 5 years ago.. his cycles in the 80's were oral based with dbol, and winny.. the only injects he did was deca and a little primo before the show..

he said even now he prefers deca and dbol.. he said he suffers no bloat issues or sexual sides..

 

[TNH]

TNH can you be more specific about deca sides taht you read in the article ?

I had seen the study a few times, but I don't remember where.
I did a quick search here and found some discussion about it..... there are a few links in there with studies about the blood vessels being harmed by deca:

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/54499-bad-news-deca-users.html

 

[CHAPS]

My personal trifecta is test mast and tren. However I limit the test to 200mg a week. Mast and tren are in the 300-400 neighborhood. So no more than a G a week and perhaps even a bit less but this is a revolution for body composition and strength.
Test is cheap but you truly don't need a lot of it depending on your goals.
Granted I'm cruising now with 75mg E3D of test-e. Ideally I'd rather cruise with 50mg of both mast-e and test-e E3D as that combo would give me even better body composition results as well as less estrogen worries. But I'm out of mast-e at the moment and won't get more for awhile.

Running these 3 right now 200mg each, already loving it

 

[CHAPS]

I'm definitely going to give it a shot trying to run only 250mg test + higher anabolics, maybe switch out tren later on for higher dose deca

 

[Userat204]

lemme tell you, if I wouldn't lactate like a woman with F cups who just had a baby when i was on deca (or had letro, that shit's hard to find and fucking expensive! $150 for 30 tabs if you can find it)... i'd be on 1500 mg deca right now instead of test.

Just to clear this up. You lactate on deca due to prolactin. Letro is an AI and will do nothing for prolactin and you can easily find it every where.

If you have issues with gyno and lactating while using deca then you should be using a dopamine agonist(caber or prami).

 

[Nssca]

Yeah for real! Test is the staple of all gear cycles. Ask some top level guys and they will say the same thing.

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I agree and disagree with this...Test is used by top level guys in large amounts but they use large amounts of HGH and masteron with it...
Test is LESS bloating while your on HGH...

If your not on HGH, stay with an Anabolic like EQ or NPP (better than long acting ester) as the basis of your cycle and always use Tren A...not Tren E.
then use test short acting ester in lower amounts on a daily basis...
Tren A is the best drug over all.:headbang:

 

[waynaferd]

Damn I'm learning a lot today!!!

 

[dav1dg90]

HMMM Alot of interesting theories people have stated. I am going to give a some of these conceps a go and see what works for me best. I blast and cruise so I have plenty of time to play around.

 

[sigagg11]

id like to do like test 300mg
tren 600mg

but then again i like a working penis...kind of one of lifes driving forces. and its .pretty embarrassing when my dick goes limp halfway through and doesnt work. but then i just blame it on roids....unless the bitch is just a cunt

 

[dav1dg90]

id like to do like test 300mg
tren 600mg

but then again i like a working penis...kind of one of lifes driving forces. and its .pretty embarrassing when my dick goes limp halfway through and doesnt work. but then i just blame it on roids....unless the bitch is just a cunt

I am giving that a go my next blast bro. I am going to try Test E 400mgs and Tren E 700-800mgs depending on if sides are tolerable. I was reccomended this by a good friend of mine on IM. This should be very interesting to say the least and I can't wait to see the results after that MOFO LOL!!!

As far as your dick not working, Im hoping for the best with mine as well. I been lucky enough to never go limp when im smushing LOL. But hey I guess it's the risk we take.

 

[sigagg11]

I am giving that a go my next blast bro. I am going to try Test E 400mgs and Tren E 700-800mgs depending on if sides are tolerable. I was reccomended this by a good friend of mine on IM. This should be very interesting to say the least and I can't wait to see the results after that MOFO LOL!!!

As far as your dick not working, Im hoping for the best with mine as well. I been lucky enough to never go limp when im smushing LOL. But hey I guess it's the risk we take.

hahaha honestly i may try it next time, just because 300 mg of tren is just gongso so for me. im gaining, but not nearly as much as some ppl make it out to sound. my buddy told me his craziest cycle was 1200 test, 800 mast, 800tren, and 400 primo with slin for 12 weeks lol. he was doing npc nationals...but eventually got a tumor lol. ohhh peptides. but effin a he looks like hes on shit 3 years after not touching a damn thing (or so he says).

and i mean shit, if my dick doesnt work, thats what viagras for right hahah.