Blood Results-Kidneys

[Nyoco]

I personally think 200 ounces of water or 6 litres per day is a lot, you´re asking your kidneys to work overtime without any need or added benefit to your health. If you drink 6 litres because you´re thirsty all the time you should see a doctor (unless you´re a giant). I generally drink when I´m thirsty and that amounts to maybe 1.5 or 2 litres per day, add in another 0.75 l on training days and I´m still under 3 litres at my max consumption.

I might get blasted for this but drink when you´re thirsty and eat when you´re hungry, your body is wiser than you think.

 

[Flex500]

If you want to keep your kidneys health, don't ever touch tren again. Don't listen to people saying 52 is not bad, Its terrible...your gfr should be over 80.

Stage 1 with normal or high GFR (GFR > 90 mL/min)
Stage 2 Mild CKD (GFR = 60-89 mL/min)
Stage 3A Moderate CKD (GFR = 45-59 mL/min)
Stage 3B Moderate CKD (GFR = 30-44 mL/min)
Stage 4 Severe CKD (GFR = 15-29 mL/min)
Stage 5 End Stage CKD (GFR <15 mL/min)

You have stay 3 kidney disease.

What an irrational thing to say. Does he need to further investigate these numbers? Yes for sure! But your grand proclamations are misleading and borderline dangerous.

And I say that as someone who goes to a nephrologist routinely and pays out of pocket because I'm so paranoid about kidney health.

 

[NOSUPERMODEL]

I am definately going to keep an eye on it. This blood draw was just to see if I was good to go for a surgery I am having in a couple of weeks. I go to primary doctor on the 28th for my annual physical. So we will see what those results say and see if he has anything to say about them.

Now when I go to my primary physician I will not have worked out the day before. I go on a Monday, and I always take Sundays off from the gym. Will that change the readings any?

 

[upeccmi]

I am definately going to keep an eye on it. This blood draw was just to see if I was good to go for a surgery I am having in a couple of weeks. I go to primary doctor on the 28th for my annual physical. So we will see what those results say and see if he has anything to say about them.

Now when I go to my primary physician I will not have worked out the day before. I go on a Monday, and I always take Sundays off from the gym. Will that change the readings any?

Please don't listen to the young twats trying to tell you nothing is wrong. Needthepump being flamed was wrong and yes he is right your numbers indicate you are CKD 3A (like me) but it probably isn't something to really worry about and you indicate you will follow up with your doc. In the last 8 years my eGFR has been as low as 49 and as high as 59, but still lower than it should be. I attribute it to my high blood pressure I did not know I had(most likely from being on AAS cycles) and now that it is under control, all seems fine. I do still cycle but stay away from tren and try not to take advil or celebrex for pain (docs orders), I limit my protein drinks and try to stay hydrated.
I was wondering, do you get up at night to pee several times a night? I probably get up 4-5 times. An indication of kidney issue too.

 

[needthepump]

yah, yah....u work in a lab...we got that...would u shut the fuck up now.....stop fkn scaring ppl ...we are juicers here, we all have abnormal blood results - yes it s not good, but with 52 eGFR u will live a perfectly fine and long life if u stay healthy. and if u have 60 u are absolutely stop.....tired of ur bs post about ppl in such and such state of kidney disease...etc...last thing they want to hear is...if anyone is worried about their - just see a nephrologist....dont listen to some lab assistant, who s ready to diagnose you without even seen all of ur blood work...

Lab assistant, hardly. I work in a dyalysis clinic with the top nephrologists in the area. But keep thinking these drugs aren't harmful and what you are doing to your body won't come at a price. My gfr is 91. I would really be conserned with a 52 result. If you are in the area and have good health insurance we will have a chair waiting for you.

Jesus said "forgive them for they know not what they do.". With me here, you abusers have no excuse.

 

[Elvia1023]

Please don't listen to the young twats trying to tell you nothing is wrong. Needthepump being flamed was wrong and yes he is right your numbers indicate you are CKD 3A (like me) but it probably isn't something to really worry about and you indicate you will follow up with your doc. In the last 8 years my eGFR has been as low as 49 and as high as 59, but still lower than it should be. I attribute it to my high blood pressure I did not know I had(most likely from being on AAS cycles) and now that it is under control, all seems fine. I do still cycle but stay away from tren and try not to take advil or celebrex for pain (docs orders), I limit my protein drinks and try to stay hydrated.
I was wondering, do you get up at night to pee several times a night? I probably get up 4-5 times. An indication of kidney issue too.

No one is telling him nothing is wrong. Everyone can see he needs to make changes and monitor this very closely. The difference is they are simply rational unlike Needthepump who frankly doesn't have a clue. He acts like everyone who has high something has 5 years left to live when in reality many things most of us do on here can alter our bloodwork. We all can't get amazing physiques and have super perfect bloodwork all our lives. Now this situation is different and he needs to address that with a medical professional. As you allude to I am sure he will be fine if he makes changes and is smart with what he puts into his body in the future.

 

[Elvia1023]

Lab assistant, hardly. I work in a dyalysis clinic with the top nephrologists in the area. But keep thinking these drugs aren't harmful and what you are doing to your body won't come at a price. My gfr is 91. I would really be conserned with a 52 result. If you are in the area and have good health insurance we will have a chair waiting for you.

Jesus said "forgive them for they know not what they do.". With me here, you abusers have no excuse.

Now you are quoting Jesus I have noticed your posts for awhile and bite my lip. Health is important to me so I don't mind guys going on about it all the time. I value guys like Emeric on here. He is a wealth of knowledge... you are not. You are just plain annoying. Most of us know the risks yet all you do is go on and on in every thread about us dying. You just wrote in the Rich Piana thread that you think steroids destroy the body in 5-7 years... just complete crap. I have been using for 10 years and generally feel great. My blood work is usually perfect apart from HDL which is a family problem and also because I like oral AAS. But I am far from destroyed and I know many who have used aas for 20+ years who are far from destroyed. People have health problem aas or not. AAS will increase the probabilty of many things but if used smartly they are not majorly bad in the grand scheme.

I am not saying you are book smart but you kind of remind me of when guys are book smart with absolutely no common sense. You will see a blood result and it's definitely that without weighing up the 1001 variables at hand. Anyway reply what you want as I am not going to waste anymore time on you.

 

[xman280]

Lab assistant, hardly. I work in a dyalysis clinic with the top nephrologists in the area. But keep thinking these drugs aren't harmful and what you are doing to your body won't come at a price. My gfr is 91. I would really be conserned with a 52 result. If you are in the area and have good health insurance we will have a chair waiting for you.

Jesus said "forgive them for they know not what they do.". With me here, you abusers have no excuse.

are you really gonna go that fkn low to wish me my kidneys fail, just so u can say "I told you so"? i guess that ll make u feel really good about yourself you miserable prick. With God's will I ll be fine. But there many other reasons such as bacterial infections that can cause ones kidneys to fail...karma is a bitch so watch out you done end up in out of ur chairs accidentally.....
We all know the dangerous of steroids and I take full responsibility for my actions. But who the fuc you think u re to be diagnosing ppl - "u have stage 3 kidney disease, and u have stake 2 kidney disease..."???? u re a frkn clown. Doctors don't diagnose that fast before making a whole bunch of tests , a 24hr urine collection etc....Moron

 

[NOSUPERMODEL]

Okay guys. I just went back and looked at some past blood test results. Found one back from August 2016(Only on TRT dosages). Had not done a cycle of Tren since mid 2013. eGFR was 90 on a range of >60ML/MIN.?1.73

Found one from June 1st this year(into my 3rd week of blast with 600mg of Tren). My eGFR was 75 on a range of >59 mL/min?1.73

So I don't know what is going on. I have one in 2016 where range is great just being on TRT. Have one this year while I am on Tren and it seems okay. Just did a blood draw after being off a month and its out of range on only TRT dosages. I don't quite understand.

 

[muscle96ss]

Okay guys. I just went back and looked at some past blood test results. Found one back from August 2016(Only on TRT dosages). Had not done a cycle of Tren since mid 2013. eGFR was 90 on a range of >60ML/MIN.?1.73

Found one from June 1st this year(into my 3rd week of blast with 600mg of Tren). My eGFR was 75 on a range of >59 mL/min?1.73

So I don't know what is going on. I have one in 2016 where range is great just being on TRT. Have one this year while I am on Tren and it seems okay. Just did a blood draw after being off a month and its out of range on only TRT dosages. I don't quite understand.

Thats a HUGE drop in a relatively short time. They need to do an ultrasound an possibly a biopsy to find out why. I didn't discover I had a problem until it was 15 and too late. Trust me, you need to figure this out ASAP!!

For those bashing "needthepump"; he is just a little passionate about trying to help based on what he sees and real life. Your kidneys dont regenerate and people don't realize how serious things can be. At 49 years old, my life may well be over shortly and if not, it will definitely never be the same. You don't realize how serious it is until it happens to you.

 

[little slice]

Thats a HUGE drop in a relatively short time. They need to do an ultrasound an possibly a biopsy to find out why. I didn't discover I had a problem until it was 15 and too late. Trust me, you need to figure this out ASAP!!

For those bashing "needthepump"; he is just a little passionate about trying to help based on what he sees and real life. Your kidneys dont regenerate and people don't realize how serious things can be. At 49 years old, my life may well be over shortly and if not, it will definitely never be the same. You don't realize how serious it is until it happens to you.

my beef with him is that OP posted his (e)gfr, and NTP responded as if he had said gfr..


big difference, and not a small mistake to make.. especially if you are giving out advice

 

[NOSUPERMODEL]

Thats a HUGE drop in a relatively short time. They need to do an ultrasound an possibly a biopsy to find out why. I didn't discover I had a problem until it was 15 and too late. Trust me, you need to figure this out ASAP!!

For those bashing "needthepump"; he is just a little passionate about trying to help based on what he sees and real life. Your kidneys dont regenerate and people don't realize how serious things can be. At 49 years old, my life may well be over shortly and if not, it will definitely never be the same. You don't realize how serious it is until it happens to you.

Like I said I will watch it. I just posted those results wondering why my values were "better" in June while I was on Tren, and they are lower now than I am off Tren.

Mind you I have only done two blast my whole life. Did a 12 week in 2013 with the Test e/Mast E.Tren E. The Tren was at the highest at 600 mg. My next blast was this summer(2017) for 12 weeks with Test C/Mast E/Tren E. I ran Tren at 600mg a week for 8 weeks then bumped it 800mg for the last 4 weeks.

So it is not like I have been blasting and cruising all the time. Only two blast my whole life. I am 40 years old. Started TRT when I was 34 Doesn't it take a lot more abuse than that to do kidney damage?

And another thing. I have never had another doctor talk to me about my kidneys. Never even been mentioned before.

 

[asteelz]

Labs don't look great but your certainly not the next in line for dialysis..

 

[xman280]

Thats a HUGE drop in a relatively short time. They need to do an ultrasound an possibly a biopsy to find out why. I didn't discover I had a problem until it was 15 and too late. Trust me, you need to figure this out ASAP!!

For those bashing "needthepump"; he is just a little passionate about trying to help based on what he sees and real life. Your kidneys dont regenerate and people don't realize how serious things can be. At 49 years old, my life may well be over shortly and if not, it will definitely never be the same. You don't realize how serious it is until it happens to you.

creatinin and eGFR can drop fast ( many time temporarily) for s lot of reasons...kidney infections, other bacterial infections, acute stress on kidneys caused by medication or else, or severe dehydration.....nobody gives a diagnosis based on one blood work....especially a "lab guy" who s not qualified to do so....

 

[muscle96ss]

Like I said I will watch it. I just posted those results wondering why my values were "better" in June while I was on Tren, and they are lower now than I am off Tren.

Mind you I have only done two blast my whole life. Did a 12 week in 2013 with the Test e/Mast E.Tren E. The Tren was at the highest at 600 mg. My next blast was this summer(2017) for 12 weeks with Test C/Mast E/Tren E. I ran Tren at 600mg a week for 8 weeks then bumped it 800mg for the last 4 weeks.

So it is not like I have been blasting and cruising all the time. Only two blast my whole life. I am 40 years old. Started TRT when I was 34 Doesn't it take a lot more abuse than that to do kidney damage?

And another thing. I have never had another doctor talk to me about my kidneys. Never even been mentioned before.

Whats going on with your kidneys may not be related to AAS use. Many times the immune system will attack the kidneys and eat them up. There is really no way to know whats going on without further testing. I'm not trying to alarm you, but I would rather be safe than sorry given the consequences.

 

[NOSUPERMODEL]

Whats going on with your kidneys may not be related to AAS use. Many times the immune system will attack the kidneys and eat them up. There is really no way to know whats going on without further testing. I'm not trying to alarm you, but I would rather be safe than sorry given the consequences.

Thanks. Like I said, I have my annual physical with my primary at the end of this month. I know he will draw bloods and do a urine analysis. He treats my whole family so he knows our medical history. No one has had kidney problems in my family. I will keep you all updated when I get bloods back from him.

 

[MR. BMJ]

There are a lot of things that can effect a eGFR/GFR reading. Ask the doc/Nephro to perform a Creatinine Clearance (ClCr) test.

I read through real quick...I know you stated you were hydrated, which is good, but when was the last time you trained prior to the test?

 

[NOSUPERMODEL]

There are a lot of things that can effect a eGFR/GFR reading. Ask the doc/Nephro to perform a Creatinine Clearance (ClCr) test.

I read through real quick...I know you stated you were hydrated, which is good, but when was the last time you trained prior to the test?

About 20 hours before the actual blood draw

 

[MR. BMJ]

About 20 hours before the actual blood draw

I'd take a minimum of 3-5 days off if you want a more accurate reading. Are they going to test you again?

 

[needthepump]

are you really gonna go that fkn low to wish me my kidneys fail, just so u can say "I told you so"? i guess that ll make u feel really good about yourself you miserable prick. With God's will I ll be fine. But there many other reasons such as bacterial infections that can cause ones kidneys to fail...karma is a bitch so watch out you done end up in out of ur chairs accidentally.....
We all know the dangerous of steroids and I take full responsibility for my actions. But who the fuc you think u re to be diagnosing ppl - "u have stage 3 kidney disease, and u have stake 2 kidney disease..."???? u re a frkn clown. Doctors don't diagnose that fast before making a whole bunch of tests , a 24hr urine collection etc....Moron

You are being emotional. Nobody wished you kidney failure. Heaven knows the world needs less dyalysis patients , not more. You are very upset seeing that you are in stage 3 kidney disease. I understand, denial and anger are part of the grieving process. Nobody is laughing at you and you are not alone.

That chart I posted is from my company and guess who came up with it? Nephrologists....you know kidney specialists. So your family practice doctors can tell you "oh don't worry your kidneys are not that bad." We get this all the time and people slide quickly in dyalysis when kidney issues are not aggressively treated by primary care doctor.

Family practice doctors are jacks of all trades but masters of NONE. This is why they routinely refer their patients to the specialists like nephrologists.

When I talk to my patients in their dyalysis chairs I don't shame them for their behavior that lead them.to that chair. No not at all. I hug them, cry with them and go over what we can do now for their kidney health.

I am here as a voice of reality of where steroids and hypertension will lead people and yes, that is through the stages of kidney disease until dyalysis and or death. People do not want to hear it. They want to blast and abuse their bodies thinking everything will be okay. I see the current trend with more and more steroid abusers paying for their behavior.