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Life causes cancer.
Another LoC fan?
Life causes cancer.
i think it is was that bad everybody on this board for more than 3 years would be sporting tumors.A friend of mine is taking John Jewet’s J3 university program and apparently in their Jewet mentions not liking EQ because of its higher than normal probability for causing cancer. I’d never heard anything like that so I did a little research and it is definitely mentioned a bit as “probable human carcinogen with a high carcinogenic index”
has anybody else heard of this or done any research on it being a higher risk than anything else??
Exactly! Look at the California warning labels. LOLLife causes cancer.
You're being very kind.If Jewett says it it probably came from Victor Black. And Victor Black says EQ is "prohibited" lol in his model because it wasn't ever in human use. If you recall, the EQ argument he had with Rex Feral is why Victor came here to grandstand. He also thinks it's more kidney toxic than other steroids. "In the bin it goes" lol. I think he drew exaggerated conclusions on little data.
It was used for human osteoporosis in the 1960s, it was called ParenabolIf Jewett says it it probably came from Victor Black. And Victor Black says EQ is "prohibited" lol in his model because it wasn't ever in human use. If you recall, the EQ argument he had with Rex Feral is why Victor came here to grandstand. He also thinks it's more kidney toxic than other steroids. "In the bin it goes" lol. I think he drew exaggerated conclusions on little data.
It was used for human osteoporosis in the 1960s, it was called Parenabol
It was used for human osteoporosis in the 1960s, it was called Parenabol
Halotestin is approved and still prescribed for human use while 4-AD for example (the mild, non-toxic Testosterone pro-hormone) is illegal and hasn't ever been marketed as a drug. Retarded “logic“.Yeah I saw where Rex Feral mentioned Parenabol specifically I think. Or at least that the trade name was approved meaning it was all set to go. Victor said it was completely wrong but this is a guy who declares himself "winner," (never was wrong once or lost any debate, which is why everyone "hates him") then bans guys from his IG page so you can't build up your case. You'd think this specific matter could be fact-checked to see who's right but if not you'd have to let it be and not declare a winner lol.
I didn't search for or about Victor's claims about the EQ as it's not that important to me but I'd bet the claims would need more corroboration than whatever snippet of data he bases his claims on to definitively say it's more kidney toxic or carcinogenic than other steroids. OTOH you might decide to err on the side of caution and choose something else. On one hand he believes in only using human approved drugs but many of these he throws in the bin anyway, Dianabol was way too neurotoxic for example. I think it's the same with this as with the EQ, is neurotoxicity really much of a concern in practise? He is fine with tren because of Parabolan. I don't think just because it was in human use, to very small relative extent I think actually, that it's not possibly more deleterious to kidneys or what have you, even taking into account the relative potency. He thinks it's wrong to say it's particularly kidney unfriendfly, and he's probably right that there's no evidence proving this, so he has an argument there but I don't think he can state it's not especially bad for sure.
I've rambled about Victor a bit much here maybe but I think he's a fascinating personality and I get some type of entertainment from watching his behavior. He has made plenty of good points and taken to task some blatant misinformation so he isn't all bad. In his favor we can see he's almost started a whole "movement" if you will, what with so many outright copying his talking points and not crediting Victor. Someone like Jewett sells Victors "$50" information for thousands, must piss Vic off lol.
I'll tickle the receptors with a little of that when the feeling's right.Halotestin is approved and still prescribed for human use while 4-AD for example (the mild, non-toxic Testosterone pro-hormone) is illegal and hasn't ever been marketed as a drug. Retarded “logic“.
Agree with this. And to me it's a little cringe to see these guys calling their content"masterclass" and "university." I'm all for capitalism and if people want to pay to read about AAS when they can read about it here for free, but using the term "university " is a bit much. Loland i think it makes me sick to see all the magic theories of all the internet gurus that are just to attract customers to them for a "healthy attitude" lol - bodybuilding and health
Has there been a pro bodybuilder who died from—or even developed—cancer? Seems like it’s always heart and/or kidney issues.
Dennis Newman and Tonya Knight. There's another but I can't recall who. Keep in mind, heart disease is the number one killer, more than all cancers combined! So, it's not surprising if a bodybuilder develops heart disease, considering it's already rampant in the general population. It shouldn't be a surprise about kidney disease either considering how many bodybuilders still don't monitor blood pressure. The number one cause of kidney failure is high BP...or at least that was the statistic not that long ago.
This reminds me of the potential for cancer with GH. If it was more probable than not, we would see a high percentage of bodybuilders, competitive and non competitive, rife with cancer!
Dennis Newman and Tonya Knight. There's another but I can't recall who. Keep in mind, heart disease is the number one killer, more than all cancers combined! So, it's not surprising if a bodybuilder develops heart disease, considering it's already rampant in the general population. It shouldn't be a surprise about kidney disease either considering how many bodybuilders still don't monitor blood pressure. The number one cause of kidney failure is high BP...or at least that was the statistic not that long ago.
This reminds me of the potential for cancer with GH. If it was more probable than not, we would see a high percentage of bodybuilders, competitive and non competitive, rife with cancer!
We should also remember that there's about a million different types of cancer and that at least half of those suffering from it are womenYesss Dennis Newman was who I was forgetting. Thank you!
I respectfully disagree with your assertion regarding heart disease vs cancer. Yes, heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US but cancer is #2, and the difference is not very large - about 695k vs 605k, respectively. It’s impossible to draw any firm conclusions without analyzing the numbers but given the large disparity in bodybuilders, I think it’s reasonable to say that the heart takes the brunt of the damage. Also, I think it might be reasonable to say that PEDs aren’t generally carcinogenic, or else we’d see more bodybuilders developing cancer. Would be an interesting topic for an epidemiologist to study.
Great point about the blood pressure though .. 1/3 of Americans are hypertensive already, and I’m sure the numbers are even worse for bodybuilders. It can be easily managed and will go a long way towards protecting the heart And kidneys.
I think if one is prone to cancer anything anabolic is going to tips the scales. Nothing loves an anabolic environment more than cancer.
It's the same argument people use for red meat causing cancer (not processed meats, mind you).