Experienced Opinions on Nandrolone

[Simpllyhuge]

Fitness 500, you said anadrol gains aren't permanent. What about Dbol or Var?

 

[Knight9]

Anyone still using deca over npp has, in short, missed the bus.
Therapeutically, I could see a reason for running deca at 200mg or less weekly for hrt...but as an action anabolic....npp is the intelligeny choice. It also give you the ability to run it very aggressively and then get it out of your system without the unneccessary highly elevated levels which last a very long time on deca and are responsible for the sides people are often stuck with for a while.

 

[Simpllyhuge]

I know deca has a long eater but I thought it as the nandrolone it self that lingered?

Also what would deca add to HRT?

 

[summersgold]

I have used Deca and NPP over the past several years and I can't tell the difference. They are both nandrolone. Dosages up to 800mg a week. I have never been bothered by "deca dick". The big problem with nandrolone is that it is exceptionally good at raising your red blood cells, hemoglobin and hematocrit. For those of you who ever bother getting blood tests, you will find that out. Also my iron content in my blood was twice as high as it should be. The only way to control this is to donate blood on a regular basis. In my opinion, nandrolone is not a drug you can use on a regular basis.

 

[waynaferd]

I like deca so long as I got exemestane and cabergoline going on in the background.

Am actually starting a deca/dbol/test e blast myself soon!!

 

[danzd]

I don't agree with this. If your Deca dose was 6oomg/wk were you running Tren E at 600mg/wk ?? That's a lot of Tren and the sides would suck.

Deca and Tren will give you different results and you would use them accordingly. Yes you can bulk with Tren and you should take a look at a poll I ran: Tren or Deca with Testosterone for bulking up?

I prefer Deca because of the strength gains, the way my joints feel, final results and I can lean bulk depending on my diet. You will need to run Caber with Deca or NPP and that will take care of any Deca Dick problems. Hell you can have problems down there if you run any gear but yes Deca and Tren are known to cause more problems and that's why I always have some Viagra stashed.

Anadrol results are not permanent. Yes you'll get big quick, but it's very hard to keep those gains.

i have never gone past 400 mgs with deca npp or tren. the thing is, i didnt run caber with deca during the time i first experienced deca dick because it was only 250mgs... just for joint support on my first cycle of 750 test. never thought in a thousand years that would have happened. if i felt deca was absolutely neccessary, i would do what i have to do and use it. however, tren is definitely my bulker of choice. my body just grows faster on it. that being said, i wont sacrifice my sex life for a drug that doesnt effect my physique as positively as the other. to each their own, im just more sensitive to the side effects of deca. ive seen a lot of guys grow and look great on deca. but being as young as i am i wana limit the sexual side effects as much as possible.

 

[ManoftheWorld]

I think for just joint relief with deca the dosages ppl can probably get away with are amazing lower than suggested since medically, for example, to treat women with osteoporosis, its dosed at just 50 mg every 2 to 3 weeks... so I dont see why a male couldnt get away with like 50/wk.. again strictly for therapeutic purposes of joint relief... and even at that low a dose Id bet there will still be some perks, however slight, of a positive nitrogen balance and increased protein synthesis as an added benefit

its like hiv/aid patients usually start at 200mg/wk to counter and/or reverse their muscle wasting symptoms, anemia etc.. I personally think that with deca over the years, ppl have figured since its been ruled as a "safe" compound it can be used in excess, well above the established "safe" range, and still think its safe...

I know the few times over the years I've used deca for cycle purposes 300/wk, 450/wk, and lastly 700/wk recently(first 2mo of 4mo run was 600/wk), the only think I know for certain with higher dose is noticeably elevated bp crit, rbc, etc... i'd take random bp reads and my avg when resting was in the 135/85-90 range... so any kind of activity would cause it to climb and quick so occasionally would get nausea, headache, shortness of breath depending on level of activity...

for my currrent cruise Im getting into, once I get my finances in order, Im going to see how low I can go personally with deca for joint relief, IMO i think 50/wk should work, if not maybe 75/mg max if possibly is weight dependent since im in the 280's

 

[6underground]

If I was going to take nandrolone, I would take npp over deca. Personally I got decent results of of both, but if I was going to do nandrolone again, I would stick with npp because of the faster clear time. But then again, if I'm going to do a 19-nor, it's going to be tren. I just get better everything with it. But since you're asking about nandrolone, I would personally try npp.

 

[bomb401]

It is about ten times more cost effective to run deca. I highly doubt anyone is gonna do a 2 week cycle of NPP anyway so why bother with it.

 

[BGHSS]

I have ran Deca many different cycles over the last 4 years. I really love the benefits I get from it. My joints feel great while on it, although you lose all that pretty fast when you come off. But the gains are awesome and not to hard to maintain if done right. I never had an issue with Deca Dick but I always run my Test 2X as much as my Deca so if 400MG Deca weekly then 800MG Test Weekly. I personally have never had issues on this type of protocol. I have tried NPP two different cycles and never thought much of it, didnt get nearly the same benefits. I will always do a cycle of Deca at least once a year. I do recommend running longer cycles of it, of 12 weeks minimum and up.

 

[Fitness 500]

Fitness 500, you said anadrol gains aren't permanent. What about Dbol or Var?

I am no expert but from my research Anadrol gains is mostly water with a small percent being muscle gains, but that's from the strength gains you get from the additional water in the muscles. Anadrol is is great if you're looking for just sheer mass.

Dbol actually promotes the anabolism of proteins. Yes it also adds a lot of water but that's in addition to creating new muscle. There is a thread in another forum of a Bro who retained 90% of his size and strength from a Dbol only cycle. Diet and PCT must me on point.

I about to do Var for the first time and I hear that the gains are permanent.

 

[Fitness 500]

for my currrent cruise Im getting into, once I get my finances in order, Im going to see how low I can go personally with deca for joint relief, IMO i think 50/wk should work, if not maybe 75/mg max if possibly is weight dependent since im in the 280's

280's

Bro you have a pic ?

I prefer Deca over NPP for the simple fact that I can't tell them apart and I don't like EOD injections. Besides price wise Deca is cheaper to run.

Try running Test, Deca, and adding Winny the last 6 weeks.

 

[ManoftheWorld]

280's

Bro you have a pic ?

I prefer Deca over NPP for the simple fact that I can't tell them apart and I don't like EOD injections. Besides price wise Deca is cheaper to run.

Try running Test, Deca, and adding Winny the last 6 weeks.

I think my time with winny is done, a few runs and always snap crackle pop on joints.. I live hard, work hard, play hard etc as it is so dont want winny accelerating any issues since I already carry the weight to cause joint strain... plus I not a fan of random cramping it would bring regardless of how hydrated I was...

and Im 6'3ish so its spread out over a long frame LOL all of my pics are the social function with fatty pigging out and drinking bloated look LOL I havent dabbled with NPP yet... If I do will be to give it a taste on a blast like approach.. I think I am sold long term on the cruise/blast running and I can actually cruise on hrt range doses 150-200/wk of test and maintain well... peptides etc along with test help maximize everything Im sure and Im okay with that LOL and i've flexed my test lower to add other compounds, like tren and deca and worked great like how Dr.G would suggest in his threads...

 

[BIG DALE]

On my first run with it right now and it's my favorite compound to date. Always scared of the deca dick but after ~6 weeks no issues, only mass. Looking forward to more.

 

[Userat204]

I love deca and npp. Never had any issues at all, not one as far as "deca dick". Control your estrogen levels and there shouldn't be an increase in prolactin. I normally add caber .5 twice a week just to do it but never actually needed it.

I also like tren, it's the only compound that produces fast results for me. I start to see changes in shape and look cut but even though it has a great feed efficacy, I never gain large amounts of weight on tren. I stay at 10-12% bf all the time, but can go lower on tren to 9-10% and that's not dieting. I will say I've made good gains by running tren a for 8 weeks with a high dose of test, take 4-6 weeks off the tren then add it back in while running test the entire time. It's great and I can't deny that but I gain more from deca and npp.
My last big run with test/deca/mast I made some great gains, I had a short period where I was very lethargic and wanted to sleep all day.

But with that big blast, I also got high bp, hematocrit, and hemoglobin. I took me a long time to get back to normal on that one. I like npp just as much, yea more frequent dosing but oh well. I'll still run npp 16 weeks and love it.

I take lisinopril 10mg while on it, and bp stays very good even with dbol thrown in. I like to add some var as well. You need to manage estro and it really helps. All AAS have there down falls and you have to take precautions. And some things work better than others for each individual. But deca dick is so over hyped. IMO its more from the days of deca and no test, or some people, a small percentage, are possibly sensitive to it but I bet half of those are guys who are the types that get it in their head that they will get deva dick and basically mentally convince themselves into having it.

Then there is the myth that you WILL get bloated and sloppy/fat from deca, I may retain some water but nothing drastic, but we all are different, but I don't worry about a little extra water. My only gripe is the increase in rbc's.

 

[Bad Fox]

I just finished a 10 wk run of test E 500wk tren E 400wk and Deca 400wk

My sexual performance was thru the roof until wk 7 then a noticeable decline. Joints started feeling great at wk 7. Power went up 45lbs on bench in the 10 wks. Added 16lbs total body weight... prob 10 of which is real muscle. The deca and tren had me feeling very run down and lethargic. No signs of gyno at all. Im going down to 200mg of test for 12 weeks and then bump test to 750 and run it for 12 weeks alone.

I feel a lot better on just test and quite honestly...... get somewhat near the same results.

 

[tmuscle]

I like deca because it is more cost effective as well as less frequent injections

The npp kicks in quickly which is nice though

 

[ManoftheWorld]

I love deca and npp. Never had any issues at all, not one as far as "deca dick". Control your estrogen levels and there shouldn't be an increase in prolactin. I normally add caber .5 twice a week just to do it but never actually needed it.

I also like tren, it's the only compound that produces fast results for me. I start to see changes in shape and look cut but even though it has a great feed efficacy, I never gain large amounts of weight on tren. I stay at 10-12% bf all the time, but can go lower on tren to 9-10% and that's not dieting. I will say I've made good gains by running tren a for 8 weeks with a high dose of test, take 4-6 weeks off the tren then add it back in while running test the entire time. It's great and I can't deny that but I gain more from deca and npp.
My last big run with test/deca/mast I made some great gains, I had a short period where I was very lethargic and wanted to sleep all day.

But with that big blast, I also got high bp, hematocrit, and hemoglobin. I took me a long time to get back to normal on that one. I like npp just as much, yea more frequent dosing but oh well. I'll still run npp 16 weeks and love it.

I take lisinopril 10mg while on it, and bp stays very good even with dbol thrown in. I like to add some var as well. You need to manage estro and it really helps. All AAS have there down falls and you have to take precautions. And some things work better than others for each individual. But deca dick is so over hyped. IMO its more from the days of deca and no test, or some people, a small percentage, are possibly sensitive to it but I bet half of those are guys who are the types that get it in their head that they will get deva dick and basically mentally convince themselves into having it.

Then there is the myth that you WILL get bloated and sloppy/fat from deca, I may retain some water but nothing drastic, but we all are different, but I don't worry about a little extra water. My only gripe is the increase in rbc's.

what was your dose ratio of the three??? did you try a high deca/low test or high across the board ... just curious since I m going into cruise mode with just test at moment but wanted to added mast and to conduct my deca efficiency experiment for joint relief the extra 50/wk deca.. so was think either 100/100 test/mast or test a tad higher than mast like 125/75 or even 100/75, either way having all compounds at 225-250/wk max...

 

[danzd]

I am no expert but from my research Anadrol gains is mostly water with a small percent being muscle gains, but that's from the strength gains you get from the additional water in the muscles. Anadrol is is great if you're looking for just sheer mass.

Dbol actually promotes the anabolism of proteins. Yes it also adds a lot of water but that's in addition to creating new muscle. There is a thread in another forum of a Bro who retained 90% of his size and strength from a Dbol only cycle. Diet and PCT must me on point.

I about to do Var for the first time and I hear that the gains are permanent.

thats not true. if anadrol didnt effect protein synthesis it wouldnt be called an ANABOLIC steroid.

 

[Fitness 500]

thats not true. if anadrol didnt effect protein synthesis it wouldnt be called an ANABOLIC steroid.

I have looked this up online and I cannot find anywhere is states Anadrol effects protein synthesis.

Yes it is classified as an anabolic steroid but it doesn't work like Dbol.

In my opinion the true new muscle growth you get from taking Anadrol comes from the added strength you get from all that water. But I could be wrong.