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Heart/cardiac test results

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Posting these up as heart issues abound amongst our community.

Background:

I am 52 and have been lifting since 21. In my 20s I went up to just north of 250lbs, not fluffy either, and ran quite a few cycles. This was in the 90s, so we sort of threw shit at the wall to a certain degree. Never went above 1g/week had ZERO AIs. At this time I was doing dirty bulks/extreme cuts (boiled chicken etc). It was the 90s.....

Through my 30s-45 I was eating pretty shitty, drinking too much. Still training, but obviously not to the extent I should have been. No use of steroids in this time period

At 45 was put on TRT and cleaned up my shit. Last 4 years been tracking all calories, training very seriously....did a few very light cycles. These were topping out at 400test/week with some primo (200/week) and some Ment (12.5/ED was tops).

95% of the time I do 20minutes of LISS on the treadmill (winter) or walking my dogs.

I tend to abuse stims, my excuse being my job I suppose. Caffeine, moda, and nicotine gum.

Currently I sit at 201 and pretty damn lean.

Given a family history of heart disease I requested multiple tests through my doctor. He is a great conduit as he will typically do what I ask. If I dont ask, he wont do shit. History is my father died from a heart attack at 46.

I went for a nuclear stress/rest test and echo cardio gram over the last 3 weeks. Results are as follows:

Stress/Rest test:

Resting BP 118/74
Maximum BP 172/88
Duration 11 minutes
Heart rate 160 (they stop you at 160. I was completely fine and have had my heart rate into 180 during weights...measured with watch though)
Dukes score is 10.4 (low risk)

"FINDINGS:The patient had exercised using Bruce protocol for 10:44 minutes and achieved 12.9 METS and 95% of the maximum heart rate. Exercise treadmill study report noted good exercise tolerance with no chest pain or significant ECG changes. Raw images are unremarkable. No abnormal extracardiac radiotracer identified. Tomographic images show diaphragmatic attenuation artifact which resolves with attenuation correction. No true fixed or reversible perfusion abnormalities are identified. The left ventricle chamber size is moderately dilated

Gated images show normal wall motion and myocardial thickening of all left ventricular segments. Using the Emory Cardiac Tool Box Software: LVEF stress: 51 % LVEF rest: 57 % Post stress EDV: 173 ml Post stress ESV: 84 ml IMPRESSION:No evidence of myocardial infarct or ischemia. Moderately dilated left ventricle but preserved left ventricular function"

Echo:

This test was, frankly, awesome. First the woman doing it was super cute and she explained everything she was measuring. Main points below (copy paste resulted in odd spelling issues with I did not fix).

1. The left ventricle is normal in size and systolic funcon. No segmental abnormalies wereidenfied. LVEF 56%.
2. The right ventricle is mildly increased in size with normal systolic funcon.
3. The LA volume is mildly dilated 36 ml/m².
4. No significant valvular abnormalies

Method View: This was a technically fair study.

Rhythm The patient was in normal sinus rhythm during this study.

Left Ventricle The leC ventricle is normal in size and systolic funcon. No segmental abnormalies were identified on this study.
Left ventricular wall thickness is normal. The ventricular ejection fraction, as measured by Simpson's Bi-plane method, is estimated at 56 % (normal).
Peakglobal strain value is within normal parameters measuring -19 %.

Right Ventricle The right ventricle is mildly increased in size with normal systolic funcon.

Left Atrium The LA volume is mildly dilated 36 ml/m².

Right Atrium The right atrium is normal in size.

Aorc Valve The aorc valve is tricuspid and normal in structure and funcon for the paent's age. There is no evidence of stenosis or significant regurgitaon by Doppler assessment.

Mitral Valve The mitral valve is slightly thickened. There is no evidence of stenosis or definite prolapse. There is mild mitral regurgitaon seen.

Tricuspid Valve The tricuspid valve is normal in structure and funcon for the paent's age. There is trivialtricuspid regurgitaon. The RVSP is esmated to be 24 mmHg assuming an RAP of 3 mmHg.

Pulmonic Valve The pulmonary valve is normal in structure and funcon for the paent's age. There is noevidence of stenosis by Doppler assessment. There is trivial pulmonic regurgitaon.

InteratrialSeptumThe atrial septum appears intact by 2-D imaging and with no shunt flow by colour Dopplerinterrogaon.

Pericardium The pericardium is normal and there is no pericardial effusion.

Aorta The aorc root measures 3.8 cm. The ascending aorta is not well visualized. The pulmonary artery is normal.

Systemic Veins The inferior vena cava is normal


Conclusion - get your shit checked if you are worried so you can adjust lifestyle OR accept the fact you might have some issues coming your way.
 
All of this, including these tests, have been discussed at length on the forum! I'm glad you shared your experience and it's good to see that you're healthy!! You didn't use AAS very long and didn't go too high, so I would think you would be ok.
 
I had a quadruple and new mitral valve on September 27... My Lvef was 15...last echo was in February and it was up to 35...compared to me you are doing great...
 
Issue is that these tests are pretty unavailable if your in your 20's-40's unless you already have an issue or are willing to pay thousands out of pocket.
 
Issue is that these tests are pretty unavailable if your in your 20's-40's unless you already have an issue or are willing to pay thousands out of pocket.
I actually got an echocardiogram in my 20s by just being open with my doctor and telling him my concerns.
 
I had a quadruple and new mitral valve on September 27... My Lvef was 15...last echo was in February and it was up to 35...compared to me you are doing great...
Still a big improvement from what it was. Do they expect it to further increase?
 
I had a quadruple and new mitral valve on September 27... My Lvef was 15...last echo was in February and it was up to 35...compared to me you are doing great...
almost the same values here
16% in May 2021.
Since october last year between 35 und 40%
 
I get an echocardiogram every year. Last one I had was a month ago.
 
Best place to get echocardiogram for those in USA without health insurance?
 
Generally speaking the only folks that post these results have positive results...don't show off ;-) JK

I am a big PROPONENT of taking as many of these heart health markers as possible. EKG, coronary calcium, carotid calcium etc. But it is not fool proof. On a cautionary note I had a buddy test with a zero calcium score and perfect EKG who had a heart attack 2 weeks later after doing a HIIT workout. They determined some SOFT PLAQUE (not detectable unless you have a angiogram) broke away due to the intensity of his workout and blocked his widow maker. He was only a TRT guy, so unlikely it was AAS related, but you never know.
 
Generally speaking the only folks that post these results have positive results...don't show off ;-) JK

I am a big PROPONENT of taking as many of these heart health markers as possible. EKG, coronary calcium, carotid calcium etc. But it is not fool proof. On a cautionary note I had a buddy test with a zero calcium score and perfect EKG who had a heart attack 2 weeks later after doing a HIIT workout. They determined some SOFT PLAQUE (not detectable unless you have a angiogram) broke away due to the intensity of his workout and blocked his widow maker. He was only a TRT guy, so unlikely it was AAS related, but you never know.
Agree on this.

That's why for the older guys a CT angiogram is the gold standard as it shows but hard and soft plaque.

Your friends soft plaque rupture also brings up the plaque stabilization properties of statins.
 
I dont fully understand the results posted, but seems positive overall since they were normal. One of the things I had wanted from my family doctor was to get signed up for the dye test where they check your full circulatory system for developing clogs or restrictions. Last year supply of your dye was limited due to Covid and the primary dye maker is apparently China (doctors words) so it was only being used for emergency/ critical cases and this year the doc talked me out of asking for it because I dont have any markers to indicate cause for concern.

For me, I'd like to know where I currently stand at 36 so I can respond accordingly. Establish a baseline. The doc offered a stress test but I don't know how that would check for anything but heart capacity and for murmurs, misfires, etc. I've also done an ECG many years ago as it was required where I lived and I don't think that would answer my questions either. I'd rather be proactive than reactive so if there are a list of tests you guys recommend I'm all ears.
 
Issue is that these tests are pretty unavailable if your in your 20's-40's unless you already have an issue or are willing to pay thousands out of pocket.
I spent 28 days in the Cleveland clinic for a bypass surgery...final bill was $520,000...
 
I wish I could get this covered but drs and insurance sucks when u cant even get the things you want done for your health because there is no problem. I'm an honest person and don't want to lie and fake ailments just to get my shit checked
 
Question, were you expecting shit results?
I could be reading into your post a bit too much, but it sounds like you were a bit surprised maybe?

I think this shows the variety of opinions we get about the safety of gear usage. We have guys who might run 3g for a decade and think, “shit, I’ll be fine” and then we have guys who ran fairly responsible doses for a short period and still think, “oh fuck, but it’s steroids and I heard this shit kills you.” The real answer is that everything is a bit individual. Do we need to get our shit checked? Yes, especially if we are pushing the limits. But…it does seem that if you make well informed choices and aren’t being an complete idiot, you’ll be fine.
 
Question, were you expecting shit results?
I could be reading into your post a bit too much, but it sounds like you were a bit surprised maybe?

I think this shows the variety of opinions we get about the safety of gear usage. We have guys who might run 3g for a decade and think, “shit, I’ll be fine” and then we have guys who ran fairly responsible doses for a short period and still think, “oh fuck, but it’s steroids and I heard this shit kills you.” The real answer is that everything is a bit individual. Do we need to get our shit checked? Yes, especially if we are pushing the limits. But…it does seem that if you make well informed choices and aren’t being an complete idiot, you’ll be fine.

I'm definitely in that 2nd group...In 2020 I was getting weekly bloodwork...

I think there is a hefty number of us that have allowed it turn into paranoia but we love it so much we can't totally step away. I keep posting different things in the "what are you taking thread" because I literally wake up in the middle of the night after two weeks of my heavy cycle of 75mgs of test EOD and have a total freak out. I'm literally taking 10mgs a day now.

That's the level of paranoia I've arrived it. Most of it happened to me after my dads unexpected death in 2018. His had nothing to do with steroids he was just a "normal guy". Even though he smoked for 40 years, had high uncontrolled bp, cholesterol, and hadn't seen a doctor in probably 30 years it still effected me deeply mentally (beyond the normal grieving). I actually went to counselling as getting blood work weekly wasn't conducive to normal living but I doubt I'll ever be able to even do a normal, even modest cycle again.
 
All of this, including these tests, have been discussed at length on the forum! I'm glad you shared your experience and it's good to see that you're healthy!! You didn't use AAS very long and didn't go too high, so I would think you would be ok.
You are likely correct. I used in my 20s, then took along break (but ate like shit and drank too much), then TRT and some 'baby cycles'.
 
Issue is that these tests are pretty unavailable if your in your 20's-40's unless you already have an issue or are willing to pay thousands out of pocket.

Having your father die definitely (unfortunately) helped me out. As soon as the cardiac specialist heard that he booked me in for the dye testing (stress/rest) and the echo.

In Canada, it is also about finding a doctor who will take instruction. I often go in and suggest things to him. Reason I am on daily cialis is I read about it (thx PM) and told him I think it would help.
 

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