Let's talk lantus/levemir

[Mike Arnold]

Well I ordered some. Since you don't have to work up to a certain dose, what would a good starting dose be?

What type?

 

[Knight9]

What type?

Still waiting for your replies Mike!

 

[ironceltic12]

What type?

Lantus pens

 

[Heath82]

Mike if running lantus in the morning, would you still follow the same preworkout humalog protocol you wrote on here? Or would more carbs be needed?

 

[chubzz]

Mike if running lantus in the morning, would you still follow the same preworkout humalog protocol you wrote on here? Or would more carbs be needed?

You'll be fine with the basic protocol

 

[mich29]

wow stuff sounds amazing but somewhat dangerous as well

 

[Zomb131]

I used it for a while, forget how long exactly. 50iu upon waking. It kept my blood glucose low. Normally, because of gh, it's about 85-90 fasting, lantus brought it down to about 70. Never felt the need to increase the dose. I checked my blood glucose daily.

 

[the_gift]

I used it for a while, forget how long exactly. 50iu upon waking. It kept my blood glucose low. Normally, because of gh, it's about 85-90 fasting, lantus brought it down to about 70. Never felt the need to increase the dose. I checked my blood glucose daily.

[lang=de]Results?[/lang]

 

[shrivelled]

being a type 1 diabetic iv used both types and although they are specified as a 24hr release, nearly all diabetic users take them on 12 hr injections for far more stable levels of release.

 

[ironceltic12]

I'll be testing this out in a couple of weeks

 

[saladtoss]

So consensus is using lantus one would use more than they would if using humalog...I used to do humalog 8 ius a day pre workout now I'll be doing 25 ius of lantus right when I wake up along with 5 ius of gh

 

[ironceltic12]

I'll be throwing in log pre and post workout and Lantus in the morning

 

[jayl19]

I thought that the general starting point for lantus was 48iu so your getting 2iu per hour. 25iu sounds too low

 

[Adonis89]

In my opinion, these long-acting inslulins can be very useful, but have limited applications. I find they work best when used for short periods of time--perferably at high doses (don't blame me if you don't know how to stay in your safety range). A lot of size can be gained quickly this way, but one cannot use this method for long. Otherwise, too many problems will develop.

My philosophy is to get in, hit it hard, and then get out. 2 weeks, max, followed by an appropriate amount of time off in order to restore insulin sensitivity, up-regulate Glut-4, and normalize natural insulin production.

Staying on this stuff long-term is a bad idea for numerous reasons. The guys who use both short & long-acting insulins on a daily, long-term basis are being foolish. In the long-run, not only will metabolic health be compromised, but muscle growth will eventually be impaired. The body has multiple negative feedback mechanims in place which will prevent the long-term, successful use of these drugs...and by "success", I mean an acceptable balance of reward vs. risk.

This is how I got to my biggest at one point, using relatively low amounts of AAS, relative to what most use.

I ran lantus in 2-3 week bursts and used as much GH as possible (about 10iu generic) before bed each night. Would have gone up to 15-20iu if I could have.

Burst 1: 2weeks on 2 weeks off
50iu lantus AM
10iu GH PM
350mg prop/week
500mg primo/week

I dropped carbs low during the off weeks and kept my glycemic loads per meal low. dropped some glycogen and water weight that the insulin put on. Did not use insulin sensitizers. I let my body reset but starving it of some glucose and calories temporarily.

burst 2: 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
75iu lantus AM
10iu GH PM
350mg prop/week
700mg primo/week

same deal during off time

burst 3: 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
100iu lantus AM
10iu GH PM
500mg prop/week
500mg primo/week


I increased food intake during each burst to account for gains in LBM. Was eating 1-1.5g protein/lb and 2-3g carbs/lb. Fats came from 2 pastured eggs per day, some almonds/almond butter here and there and some lean red meat at night (so minimal, but not fat free).

I was 255-260 and under 10% bodyfat. Yes you will hold water (GH/Slin doesn't bloat me in the face as much like long ester test does). I recommend NOT letting yourself bloat up too much from any AAS you use during this time or you will be very uncomfortable and likely have BP issues.

I've posted this around before. It works!

 

[saladtoss]

I thought that the general starting point for lantus was 48iu so your getting 2iu per hour. 25iu sounds too low

First time ever taking lantus...wanted to ramp up slowly to be safe

 

[saladtoss]

Adonis89

What was ur starting wgt before this protocol?

U started at 50iu maybe I'll start at my 25 and work up

 

[the_gift]

[lang=de]Adonis, did you use it without GH as well?[/lang]

 

[Jeremy24]

i have no personal experience with it but i know a few guys running it who love it. They also stack log with it prep and or pwo. Combine with gh and blast doses i could see potential for some serious gains.

 

[Str8_flexin31]

Been running it for 3 weeks (lantus) I'm a junky!!!!! It's that good!! Huge pumps!! you gain weight very fast. It raises your IGF level through the roof!! Way better then all the fast acting insulin. Safer as well. Nice and steady. Not all the spikes you get with the fast acting slin. It is very powerful stuff. Start at 10iu's a day work up to 35 iu's. You will blow up!! PM me if you have any more questions

ill be starting this monday start at 10iu lantus in morning and 5iu novalog pre workout run for 6 weeks total and increase lantus to i get to 25-30iu a day and 10iu pre and post novalog running mean green gh with it this is post show competing this saturday hoping to make great strides

 

[ironceltic12]

This is how I got to my biggest at one point, using relatively low amounts of AAS, relative to what most use.

I ran lantus in 2-3 week bursts and used as much GH as possible (about 10iu generic) before bed each night. Would have gone up to 15-20iu if I could have.

Burst 1: 2weeks on 2 weeks off
50iu lantus AM
10iu GH PM
350mg prop/week
500mg primo/week

I dropped carbs low during the off weeks and kept my glycemic loads per meal low. dropped some glycogen and water weight that the insulin put on. Did not use insulin sensitizers. I let my body reset but starving it of some glucose and calories temporarily.

burst 2: 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
75iu lantus AM
10iu GH PM
350mg prop/week
700mg primo/week

same deal during off time

burst 3: 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
100iu lantus AM
10iu GH PM
500mg prop/week
500mg primo/week


I increased food intake during each burst to account for gains in LBM. Was eating 1-1.5g protein/lb and 2-3g carbs/lb. Fats came from 2 pastured eggs per day, some almonds/almond butter here and there and some lean red meat at night (so minimal, but not fat free).

I was 255-260 and under 10% bodyfat. Yes you will hold water (GH/Slin doesn't bloat me in the face as much like long ester test does). I recommend NOT letting yourself bloat up too much from any AAS you use during this time or you will be very uncomfortable and likely have BP issues.

I've posted this around before. It works!

Did you use lantus on non lifting days?