It's him in an interview.is that what he said or a magazine said
I think he was not counting warm up. Just from the first heavy set. My wife often asked me why I have been at the gym two hours- I always say - travel time changing clothes warm up -training for me is 1 hour.It's him in an interview.
I've always wondered is Mike was using the definition of time trained as time spent at max effort.
I don't see him ignoring warm up sets before going to all-out failure. He was eccentric, but not a fool, and never seriously injured that I know of.
He was a bit of a fool. Both Jones and his lap dog Darden said that warm-up sets weren't necessary if you used that 2 second concentric, 4 second eccentric rep cadence. Jones only kept people around that he could manipulate, so Mike likely bought into that as well. Jones even used to say stupid shit like not making any facial twitches during a set because it would rob energy from your muscle contractions.It's him in an interview.
I've always wondered is Mike was using the definition of time trained as time spent at max effort.
I don't see him ignoring warm up sets before going to all-out failure. He was eccentric, but not a fool, and never seriously injured that I know of.
They do this in sprinting too. If you'll notice, sprinters neck muscles aren't straining, their faces are cool as a cucumber. This hasn't as much to do with energy expenditure as much as it has to do with a mind/legs connection (mental concentration) generating stronger strides and faster speed. I suspect the same theory could apply to concentration-type exercises like biceps, lateral raises, hamstring curls, bentover rows - the exercises that most people do so poorly in form it makes you cringe when you see them.He was a bit of a fool. Both Jones and his lap dog Darden said that warm-up sets weren't necessary if you used that 2 second concentric, 4 second eccentric rep cadence. Jones only kept people around that he could manipulate, so Mike likely bought into that as well. Jones even used to say stupid shit like not making any facial twitches during a set because it would rob energy from your muscle contractions.
I don't know about you but when I hear someone screaming at the top of their lungs, swinging weights, poor back posture, using far too much weight, dropping weights onto the floor or machine with the intention of shaking the floor, etc I just laugh. Not a big deal, I just put in my earbuds and tune them out bc it looks and sounds ridiculous. Some people like plates clanking and the floor shaking and it gets them amped up. I used to be like that years ago. These days I've outgrown all that.
As history this is intetlresring stuff but don't waste your brain power on it. Jones was out to sell Nautilus machines. He did a lot for American fitness in bringing resistance training to the masses (as well as being a major contributor to the death of Olympic lifting in this country - but that's the fault of many not just him).
At the end of the day his logic, experiments and conclusions were engineered to sell machines. His logic and theory was based on a completely false understanding of exercise phyis and science. Good logic based on completely wrong foundational science. Basically single factor theory (Jones understanding) is limited in explanatory power beyond beginners and totally/completely supplanted by dual factor theory or fitness/fatigue. Most of Jones stuff used dual factor (deloading, recovery from time accumulated stimulus) in a single factor paradigm (less stress/stimulus is better, progress is made workout to workout) to lend credibility to his machine circuits and sell them.
FALSE - "concrentic failure is the growth/hypertrophy light switch" .
TOTALLY FALSE. NOTHING SPECIAL OR DIFFERENT HAPPENS AT CONCENTRIC FAILURE. MECHANICAL WORK/VOLUME AT SUFFICIENT INTENSITIES (%1RM) THROUGH SUFFICIENT RANGE OF MOTION (REQUIRED FOR WORK DEFINITION) IS STIMULUS.
Some quality take aways despite false premise so don't toss baby with bathwater:
-progressive loading is key to driving long term progress
-rest and allowing for adaptation/recovery is important
-there are limits, don't overdo it
He also designed some fabulous machines. That damn pullover, in my and many opinions, has never been equaled let alone surpassed. Wish I had room for one.
My 2 cents anyway but as I've said I see very little in bodybuilding that indicates optimal training is any kind of requirement for success. Strength and performance criteria sports...important but still lots of ways to skin a cat.
100% No way can a person maintain a stone cold expressionless face while approaching the pain and intensity of muscle failure. I just used sprinting as an example as that was what my track coach taught us. Sprinters don't reach muscle failure though either. I know on some sets like leg curls I squeeze my eyes shut so hard tears will squeeze out. There's no stopping it.We are in full agreement. I loathe all of which you mentioned and I myself am the quietest person in the gym. All I'm saying is that in very difficult sets it is impossible to maintain the same facial expression as you would staring at a wall in a chair. There would be involuntary twitches and grimaces despite the best effort not to.
Nothing personal but . . .As history this is intetlresring stuff but don't waste your brain power on it. Jones was out to sell Nautilus machines. He did a lot for American fitness in bringing resistance training to the masses (as well as being a major contributor to the death of Olympic lifting in this country - but that's the fault of many not just him).
At the end of the day his logic, experiments and conclusions were engineered to sell machines. His logic and theory was based on a completely false understanding of exercise phyis and science. Good logic based on completely wrong foundational science. Basically single factor theory (Jones understanding) is limited in explanatory power beyond beginners and totally/completely supplanted by dual factor theory or fitness/fatigue. Most of Jones stuff used dual factor (deloading, recovery from time accumulated stimulus) in a single factor paradigm (less stress/stimulus is better, progress is made workout to workout) to lend credibility to his machine circuits and sell them.
FALSE - "concrentic failure is the growth/hypertrophy light switch" .
TOTALLY FALSE. NOTHING SPECIAL OR DIFFERENT HAPPENS AT CONCENTRIC FAILURE. MECHANICAL WORK/VOLUME AT SUFFICIENT INTENSITIES (%1RM) THROUGH SUFFICIENT RANGE OF MOTION (REQUIRED FOR WORK DEFINITION) IS STIMULUS.
Some quality take aways despite false premise so don't toss baby with bathwater:
-progressive loading is key to driving long term progress
-rest and allowing for adaptation/recovery is important
-there are limits, don't overdo it
He also designed some fabulous machines. That damn pullover, in my and many opinions, has never been equaled let alone surpassed. Wish I had room for one.
My 2 cents anyway but as I've said I see very little in bodybuilding that indicates optimal training is any kind of requirement for success. Strength and performance criteria sports...important but still lots of ways to skin a cat.
Is this the pullover for back? I've seen the machine but never used it. Is it universally regarded as effective as pulling movements?As history this is intetlresring stuff but don't waste your brain power on it. Jones was out to sell Nautilus machines. He did a lot for American fitness in bringing resistance training to the masses (as well as being a major contributor to the death of Olympic lifting in this country - but that's the fault of many not just him).
At the end of the day his logic, experiments and conclusions were engineered to sell machines. His logic and theory was based on a completely false understanding of exercise phyis and science. Good logic based on completely wrong foundational science. Basically single factor theory (Jones understanding) is limited in explanatory power beyond beginners and totally/completely supplanted by dual factor theory or fitness/fatigue. Most of Jones stuff used dual factor (deloading, recovery from time accumulated stimulus) in a single factor paradigm (less stress/stimulus is better, progress is made workout to workout) to lend credibility to his machine circuits and sell them.
FALSE - "concrentic failure is the growth/hypertrophy light switch" .
TOTALLY FALSE. NOTHING SPECIAL OR DIFFERENT HAPPENS AT CONCENTRIC FAILURE. MECHANICAL WORK/VOLUME AT SUFFICIENT INTENSITIES (%1RM) THROUGH SUFFICIENT RANGE OF MOTION (REQUIRED FOR WORK DEFINITION) IS STIMULUS.
Some quality take aways despite false premise so don't toss baby with bathwater:
-progressive loading is key to driving long term progress
-rest and allowing for adaptation/recovery is important
-there are limits, don't overdo it
He also designed some fabulous machines. That damn pullover, in my and many opinions, has never been equaled let alone surpassed. Wish I had room for one.
My 2 cents anyway but as I've said I see very little in bodybuilding that indicates optimal training is any kind of requirement for success. Strength and performance criteria sports...important but still lots of ways to skin a cat.
Lats primarily.Is this the pullover for back? I've seen the machine but never used it. Is it universally regarded as effective as pulling movements?