Im actually getting discouraged- Because of this post, i got the combo and supp it with 1000 mg of EGCG daily- brand of tea pills i bought says 935mg EGCG per 4 caps per day....Im in week 3 and nothing...no fatloss, no muscle gain, no real strength boosts that would make you go...wow...I got peps from 2 different sponsors here, so sure they are good...going to start keto diet this week,and changed workouts from 5x5's to 3x 8-12 reps...Not sure when real results kick in...hopfully soon. Im wondering if maybe because i take sat/sun off to give myself a break.? I even started Johnjuanb's recommended cardio in the morning..I drink a cup of espresso and take 2 green tea pills..1/2 hour on dread mill at 3.7-3.8 mph walk...been doing that for about a week and a half, as well as 1/2 hour, same thing pwo...still same weight,same size...also in afternoon been taking eca stack, with green tea AND another cup of coffee..lol....starting to call this stuff "hoaxeralin"....