Your Libido on TRT

[raw33man]

in this case, how can you fix it?

Bloodwork !!

most likely his E2 is high, then AI

only bloodwork can tell

 

[Jkjuiced]

Libido is there l through the roof. On 100mg of test on cruise

 

[Jkjuiced]

Libido is there l through the roof. On 100mg of test on cruise

Test is 977 Est is 38

 

[jrock00123]

A low dose of cialis seems to make a big difference while on TRT.

 

[Sketchy2000]

Trt saved my life. I struggled with impotence and a low libido for 10 years. Fluctuations in t levels etc. Finally a doc gave me 100mg cyp weekly. Good as gold

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[Jkjuiced]

Trt saved my life. I struggled with impotence and a low libido for 10 years. Fluctuations in t levels etc. Finally a doc gave me 100mg cyp weekly. Good as gold

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Test/gh = fountain of youth

 

[Ehren]

My libido on trt is terrible, still a work in progess. Some have had success with adding hcg, cabaser, addressing sleep issues (sleep apnea is a big one), daily low dose Cialis, some need a little help from an anti-depressant, nutrient deficiencies etc libido is very complex.

I tried hcg and could not tolerate it i'm currently working with my doc to find my ideal arimidex and testosterone ratio I feel i'm a fast metabolizer 100mg had my levels at 200. I'm on 160mg just bumped about 6 weeks ago from 100mg and other then energy, strength and recovery going up, libido has gone from non existant to barely existant. I'm currently doing a test run of Cymbalta an snri for depression/anxiety. Serotonin signaling issues can lower libido, which is iron as ssri's etc are known to cause sexual side effects but some may very well benefit.

I'd suggest checking out the board excelmale where it's catered to trt. Just remember that neurotransmitters play a huge role the first time you took testosterone and got that fantastic libido was its effect on dopamine which will diminish with time. Also look into Dr mariano's work, he was able to list off about 20+ possible reasons for lack of libido.

I'd start from the ground up:

sleep-any untreated disorders etc?
nutrition: liver and other organ meats really shine here
nutrient deficiencies: ferritin (stored iron) is necessary for dopamine production and thyroid signaling as well as energy at the cellular level
test/estrogen ratio
dhea levels
thyroid levels
dht
prolactin
pregnenolone
cortisol
adrenal fatigue
gut health


And the list goes on..

I agree, people need to look into neurotransmitter issues when T/E are in range and it still sucks. I'm in the process of it now. It's complicated. Dopamine levels being too high or Serotonin too high.
I feel great on not very much Test, 1-200 max. But it's like being on Blow...feels good, but sex is the last thing on my mind. Too much dopamine.

High E2 kicks out too much Serotonin. Either way, no bueno.

As far as E2, I think a lot of this is also about Clearing estrogen as much or more than just aromatizing. DIM, Liver health, those could help.

Cleaning up the liver is a big one. NAC is great.
Taurine 5-10 grams a day for lowering norepinephrine tone has been very effective. No kidding. I was surprised.
Many have also used alpha blockers with success for the same purpose (lowering NE). Got em, but haven't tried them. Seem you have to find the lowest effective dose, then they're good. Too much leaves your BP too low.
Calcium D Glucarate is also said to really help by people further into their research than I am. Can't get it easily where I am, so waiting on it now.

What are your T / E numbers at 100mg or 160mg a week of Test?

 

[ScalpNetwork]

Jkjuiced is right w his response but gh to much threw my doctor like the cjc impam blend and my low dose of enanthate 250 every five days for now.I did notice by adding exmestane every few days and 200 mg dhea plus about 1500 mg of fenugreek really shot my libido threw the roof while on trt like how i felt when first started

 

[CHAPS]

I agree, people need to look into neurotransmitter issues when T/E are in range and it still sucks. I'm in the process of it now. It's complicated. Dopamine levels being too high or Serotonin too high.
I feel great on not very much Test, 1-200 max. But it's like being on Blow...feels good, but sex is the last thing on my mind. Too much dopamine.

High E2 kicks out too much Serotonin. Either way, no bueno.

As far as E2, I think a lot of this is also about Clearing estrogen as much or more than just aromatizing. DIM, Liver health, those could help.

Cleaning up the liver is a big one. NAC is great.
Taurine 5-10 grams a day for lowering norepinephrine tone has been very effective. No kidding. I was surprised.
Many have also used alpha blockers with success for the same purpose (lowering NE). Got em, but haven't tried them. Seem you have to find the lowest effective dose, then they're good. Too much leaves your BP too low.
Calcium D Glucarate is also said to really help by people further into their research than I am. Can't get it easily where I am, so waiting on it now.

What are your T / E numbers at 100mg or 160mg a week of Test?

100mg test cyp

Estrogen: 88 pmol/L (<200pmol/L range)
testosterone: 12.1 nmol/L (8-29.5 range)
Free test was 316.6 pmol/L (350-700 pmol/L was optimal range)

as for 160mg I find out on the 21st of this month, i'll post my results. I feel i am too high actually, i have a feeling i'll end up in the 140mg range. Arimidex use right now is .5mg once a week.

Sex drive is completely unpredictable i'd say a 2/10 :s

 

[TODouble2]

Libido has never been as good on gear or TRT as it was when off.



And ironically the best I feel is on NPP/Test Or Tren/Test.

Masteron and Proviron are guaranteed to kill my libido

Wow im the same way. 19nors treat me very well. I don't get horny from test, proviron or mast. But i do feel that they raise libido even more if I'm running tren/npp.

It's been a mystery to me for a long time now. On my cruise, my test levels are around 1100 and estrogen around 20. You would think I have good libido with those numbers

 

[patmowery]

Very interesting range of resuts


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[lntense]

I dont really notice any increase of libido on proviron/mast either. But when Im on tren and test, females need to hide.

 

[raw33man]

I dont really notice any increase of libido on proviron/mast either. But when Im on tren and test, females need to hide.

Same. I think our bodies don't like too much dht. The only benefit i get from dht is massive painful boners

 

[lntense]

Same. I think our bodies don't like too much dht. The only benefit i get from dht is massive painful boners

Well fuck... that's what Im wanting lol. Seems the only thing that will do that to me is prami.

 

[hemipower]

Libido is a fickle creature... In my experience it's either annoyingly HIGH or nearly nonexistent.

Lots of good info here but basically it boils down to T/Estro ratio and general health. Anything too high or too low and libido disappears. Test, estro, dht, igf, free test, total test, prolactin, cortisol....all matters.

Hardest part is for guys that go up and down dose wise, add in several different anabolics for ~ 10 weeks then discontinue...takes a few months to recover balance after that even knowing what that is for your body and many of "us" blast/cruise more frequently than that. Simplicity is key...
Keep T levels high normal and estro within normal range and most should be good. Adding in 19-nor stuff, liver toxic orals, etc for MOST will have a negative impact on libido. A lot of this issue can also be dose timing and what is being used. Pharma test and anti estro obviously being first choice as dosing will be most likely to be as intended. With black market stuff it's hard to say...I can recall some old sponsors bragging about over dosed products. Ummm I need to know what it IS...if it's marked T300 and its 375 mg I need to KNOW that... :lightbulb:
Years passed I also had picked up some exemestane caps and when I went for blood work estro was 100+! Doc wrote me a script and got the TINY pharma 25mg Exem and at ONE every 5th day my estro was single digits within a few weeks...WAY too strong. That ONE mishap crushed my libido for 7-8 months.

At this point on 300T/week (400mg max) to maintain I'm still trying to find balance. Gh seems to help a little as well as sleeping better (obviously related). And went back to arimidex at 1mg twice a week while on hcg at 250mcg a day...once off hcg I *think* 1mg E5D should be enough to keep estro in range but plan to talk to the doc and have 12.5mg exem made at the compound pharm and try one of those E5D for a few months as I find it's the best anti-estro overall. While on hcg libido is what I'd consider pretty good/normal. While off...

Long term plan I'm thinking 100mg pharma test EOD and find the sweet spot for exem dosing and leave it alone for a year + and see how I do. Getting tired of the up and down...

 

[raw33man]

^ when you crush your E2, take Dbol to come it back back sooner and discontinue once your libido is coming back...

low dose like 15mg

 

[Rob S.]

100mg Test E + 400iu HCG twice a week. Exemestane 12.5mg EOD and libido was REALLY good first 1-2 weeks. Now its still good but a lil bit less. I think i need to drop the exemestane too 6.25 EOD now.

 

[UseButDontAbuse]

I agree, people need to look into neurotransmitter issues when T/E are in range and it still sucks. I'm in the process of it now. It's complicated. Dopamine levels being too high or Serotonin too high.
I feel great on not very much Test, 1-200 max. But it's like being on Blow...feels good, but sex is the last thing on my mind. Too much dopamine.

High E2 kicks out too much Serotonin. Either way, no bueno.

As far as E2, I think a lot of this is also about Clearing estrogen as much or more than just aromatizing. DIM, Liver health, those could help.

Cleaning up the liver is a big one. NAC is great.
Taurine 5-10 grams a day for lowering norepinephrine tone has been very effective. No kidding. I was surprised.
Many have also used alpha blockers with success for the same purpose (lowering NE). Got em, but haven't tried them. Seem you have to find the lowest effective dose, then they're good. Too much leaves your BP too low.
Calcium D Glucarate is also said to really help by people further into their research than I am. Can't get it easily where I am, so waiting on it now.

What are your T / E numbers at 100mg or 160mg a week of Test?

Try proviron 50MG ED. It's non toxic and can be run all year round... You WILL think about sex.

 

[raw33man]

100mg Test E + 400iu HCG twice a week. Exemestane 12.5mg EOD and libido was REALLY good first 1-2 weeks. Now its still good but a lil bit less. I think i need to drop the exemestane too 6.25 EOD now.

Yeap. Your E2 was slowly decreasing and now it's too low. Lay off of AIs and wait till sex drive comes back, and even wait til it starts to slightly go away again (E2 increasing out of sweet spot) then jump back on AI

 

[hemipower]

Having some 10-12mg exemestane compounded... When I did 25mg every 5th day E2 crashed...single digits! Felt terrible. Swapped back to arimidex 1mg twice weekly after a month or so off AIs...then dropped that to 1mg every 5th day and seems decent but MUCH prefer exem so having some smaller dose ones made at the compound pharma.

I think he said lowest they can reliably make is 12.5mg, so I'm thinking one of the compounded caps every 5th day should get me into proper range and stay there... I was told take one twice a week but I'm concerned I'll end up too low within 3-5 weeks again. Test dose stays between 300-400mg a week divided into 2-3 pins. HCG blast of 250iu ED done every 3rd month. Likely I'll add 100-200mg mast for the free test and the way I feel on it and remain at 300 test also. Hopefully that sets me right in the sweet spot and I can remain there long term for ONCE.