yes, it was not that he got himself got conned, but he was formulating and advising on products, and they were underdosing and misrepresenting the label, but they were attributing the formulations to his name. So Singerman and Braun were conning customers, but when that info came out, John was by default caught up in the fray. He got mad, but rightfully so. He didn't want people buying crap under the impression that he made said crap or recommended said crap. they took advantage of his namesake and his influence. though unrelated, no surprise both of those assholes did hard time. Not only did they deceive their customer base, and not just with lies, but with potential endocrinologically damaging lies, but they were so smug and arrogant about. I personally do believe in forgiveness, rehabilitation, and second chances for mistakes, righting wrongs etc. These guys were multiple offenders, but hopefully, after they served their punishment they have learned from that and will not make the same errors in judgment again. I will personally never buy from them again, but also I would never begrudge anyone who chose to do so.