Dbol 10mg everyday instead of TRT

[Black Beard]

^^^hey brother

..YES Metandienone (..aka DBOL) can/does get "5-alpha-reduced" into Methyl-1-Testosterone

..BUT it has a low attraction to the 5-AR enzyme ..so DBOL has a very low inclination to convert to M-1-T

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Maybe in the presence of very low testosterone levels as in this experiment, that extra 5-alpha floating around can grab onto the dbol and reduce it. Very interesting

 

[old timer]

If you only had access to 50 mg tabs, what would you suggest to duplicate the 10 mg/day protocol?

 

[Samson250]

If you only had access to 50 mg tabs, what would you suggest to duplicate the 10 mg/day protocol?

Cut your 50 into 4 pieces and call it close enough.

 

[qbkilla]

What is 10mg per day dbol compared to in terms of test? I'd guess 30 Ed or 200 ew?

 

[slesh]

@Zarati how has this been going?

 

[FartJohnson]

I did a deca/dbol cycle once, inspired by the golden age bodybuilders of yore. Something like 600 deca/210 dbol (10mg 3x a day). Felt pretty good and looked great .. not so much in terms of muscle gains but there was zero bloat and my skin looked so good that even my mom commented on it.

…that is, until week 6 rolled around and I just felt like absolute doo-doo mentally. I think I even cried at work LOL. After that, went home and pinned some test and felt normal again after like 6 hours.

Testosterone is an essential hormone, used for all sorts of biological processes in the body, even beyond muscle growth & libido. I just dont think its smart to deprive your body of it. Hell, run 100mg/week if you want to do low test but zero test long term isnt a good idea

 

[pickapeck]

I'll throw out another dumb ass idea that crosses my mind now and then as a TRT substitute. 10 mg/d dianabol and 500 iu hCG 2x a week. Maybe nolvadex 10 mg/d for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off as estrogen control if needed and a tickle to the nads.

 

[pickapeck]

^^^hey brother

..YES Metandienone (..aka DBOL) can/does get "5-alpha-reduced" into Methyl-1-Testosterone

..BUT it has a low attraction to the 5-AR enzyme ..so DBOL has a very low inclination to convert to M-1-T

.

Never heard that, interesting. Have you read that somewhere?

 

[Swifto]

I'll throw out another dumb ass idea that crosses my mind now and then as a TRT substitute. 10 mg/d dianabol and 500 iu hCG 2x a week. Maybe nolvadex 10 mg/d for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off as estrogen control if needed and a tickle to the nads.

I've never seen HCG successfully used as an exogenous Test substitute to be honest in a cycle.

What dose of HCG is going to be needed to for endogenous Test to be sufficient or to replace exogenous Test?

Also, HCG can be pretty expensive and a bottle of Test E or Test Cup is cheap.

 

[Doitagain]

Never heard that, interesting. Have you read that somewhere?

On paper it's possible, but after a 40mg dose of oral methandrostenolone this metabolite hasn't been detected in the urine of the subjects studied.

 

[Hammer4]

Never heard that, interesting. Have you read that somewhere?

Wikipedia

 

[pickapeck]

Wikipedia

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Great stuff!

 

[Zarati]

@Zarati how has this been going?

I have all the benefits of Testosterone plus more except the sexual benefits. Libido is slightly there but nothing close to test. Need Viagra. I love my mood on dbol.

I will wait a couple more weeks and add low dose Primo that I have on hand.

 

[Hammer4]

Great stuff!

Yeah that was news to me. Guess that's part of the reason the 70s guys still had hair! Makes more sense now!

 

[Hammer4]

I have all the benefits of Testosterone plus more except the sexual benefits. Libido is slightly there but nothing close to test. Need Viagra. I love my mood on dbol.

I will wait a couple more weeks and add low dose Primo that I have on hand.

How much primo are you gonna use like 50mg a week?

 

[Zarati]

How much primo are you gonna use like 50mg a week?

Yes exactly! Low dose just to supplement DHT

 

[Mufasa123]

Yes exactly! Low dose just to supplement DHT

I'd be a little cautious with this logic. Just because something is derived from dht (or test or dhb etc) doesn't mean it will perform that function in all aspects - we've had exactly this discussion here before on the board and this is where it came out. Consider dbol and equipoise - both are test derived and differ only by the 17aa group yet couldn't be more different in function (ie dbol has odd aromatization to a strong E2 derivative yet equipoise can even heavily lower E2 in many - just looking at a single facet).

Also if memory serves me, primo is dhb derived despite commonly called a dht derivative. Not saying it can't work for whatever purpose you are trying to fill but this is not nearly as simple as many believe.

 

[Doitagain]

I'd be a little cautious with this logic. Just because something is derived from dht (or test or dhb etc) doesn't mean it will perform that function in all aspects - we've had exactly this discussion here before on the board and this is where it came out. Consider dbol and equipoise - both are test derived and differ only by the 17aa group yet couldn't be more different in function (ie dbol has odd aromatization to a strong E2 derivative yet equipoise can even heavily lower E2 in many - just looking at a single facet).

Also if memory serves me, primo is dhb derived despite commonly called a dht derivative. Not saying it can't work for whatever purpose you are trying to fill but this is not nearly as simple as many believe.

Easiest way to supplement actual DHT would be Proviron (the study below shows that once ingested it's metabolized into straight DHT):

Effects of various modes of androgen substitution therapy on erythropoiesis​

Abstract​

In order to investigate differential effects of androgens on erythropoiesis, 55 men with clincally and biochemical confirmed hypogonadism were randomly assigned to 4 groups receiving different forms of androgen substitution: Mesterolone (MES) 100 mg/d, testosterone undecanoate (TU) 160 mg/d, testosterone enanthate (TE) 250 mg i.m./21 days or 1200 mg crystalline testosterone (TPEL) subcutaneously implanted at study begin. Average DHT levels during substitution were 4.3 +/- 0.2 (MES), 3.3 +/- 0.2 (TU), 4.0 +/- 0.4 (TE) and 5.5 +/- 0.4 (TPEL) nmol/l.

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[Zarati]

I'd be a little cautious with this logic. Just because something is derived from dht (or test or dhb etc) doesn't mean it will perform that function in all aspects - we've had exactly this discussion here before on the board and this is where it came out. Consider dbol and equipoise - both are test derived and differ only by the 17aa group yet couldn't be more different in function (ie dbol has odd aromatization to a strong E2 derivative yet equipoise can even heavily lower E2 in many - just looking at a single facet).

Also if memory serves me, primo is dhb derived despite commonly called a dht derivative. Not saying it can't work for whatever purpose you are trying to fill but this is not nearly as simple as many believe.

You're correct but based on my own experience, Dbol is doing me wonders, better than testosterone in every aspect except for the sexual benefits.


If primo doesn't do the job then low dose testosterone cream on scrotum is my next move.

 

[Mufasa123]

You're correct but based on my own experience, Dbol is doing me wonders, better than testosterone in every aspect except for the sexual benefits.


If primo doesn't do the job then low dose testosterone cream on scrotum is my next move.

I meant more subbing primo for dht but do whatever works for you. I personally like the feel of stronger androgens relative to test and respond well to more anabolic compounds too so I'll mix/match whatever. Sadly dbol was great when I was young and makes me really tired now for some reason (other orals in much higher doses don't). Bummed because I really liked it but drol, winny and anavar are fine for me.