Deadlifts are the best exercise to build muscle mass. True or false?

[Tarasoft11]

have you ever seriously injured your back? is not like tearing a tricep, a pec, an knee, or having something that u can just train around... imo you have a MUCH greater chance of having a career ENDING injury on the DL then anything else IF something goes wrong.... if something happens, its always lumbar, disks, etc... there is no training anything after you rupture a disk... But I've seen guys tear ACLs and workout the opposite side leg, arms, etc days and weeks after... of course different exercises pose higher or lower risk levels...there is no comparison in my head of the risk of serious, career ending injury doing 600+lb DLs or squats/having a bench press bar crash onto your throat, then putting too much weight on a preacher curl, single arm row, or calf raise...

It was my Fav exercise

I have! and it was not pleasant at all

 

[epoxy]

T- bar rows are great AFTER Deads.
But bent over rows are even better...AFTER Deads!

I agree unless you're on Anadrol. I gotta do my BB rows first otherwise the back pumps are so bad after deads I can't even bend over to do them

 

[Fa Seeshus]

I want to write on the wall of my gym "just because it is a squat or deadlift you do not have to do you 3RM"

We have a whole crew of college age kids who only max, rest 12 minutes between sets, do nothing in the hypertrophy rep range, don't even look like they lift, and then bitch about how it isn't fair that they train "hardcore" but don't grow. I've seen this alot lately. Then they peep at you repping and sweating your ass off and snicker that you are only big because of gear.

 

[kingpeon]

Exactly... Don't know what the he; (Sir Anabolic )is talking about. To much risk of injury? ANY exercise has risks. Go walk on the treadmill if you don't want to lift heavy.

Couldn't agree more. And if you perform the start of the deadlift like coming out of the hole in a squat as far as bent legs 90* as much as possible, back arched and upright and pulling 'back' and not so much 'up', the risk of lower back injury is close to nonexistent while still providing all the mass-building qualities of the movement.

Think rackdeads without the rack.

 

[concreter]

I agree unless you're on Anadrol. I gotta do my BB rows first otherwise the back pumps are so bad after deads I can't even bend over to do them

I like Rows prior. After deadin 500lbs x 5, 275lb Rows seem light.

Back before I tore my Hamstring in half. totally unrelated.

 

[concreter]

I like Rows prior. After deadin 500lbs x 5, 275lb Rows seem light.

Back before I tore my Hamstring in half. totally unrelated.

Before that Deadlifts have actually sometimes helped when I have had a back out..
And trust me during over 25yrs of concreting back issues come and Go!

 

[trainlikeaboss]

I built my foundation on the big 3. No back injuries that I know but fucked the shoulders with shitty bench form+long arms. Don't do deads very often any more but but I'll test them out once in a while. Squats now hard to do from a hamstring injury-not training related. Bench I will do but most of the time only to parallel to save the shoulders. No one exercise is absolutely imperative. Plenty of big guys everywhere who can't or won't do one or all all of the big 3.

 

[ThinkTank]

My all time favorite movement. Have not done them in 8 months

I was doing deads and felt a sharp pain on the inside of my left knee. Thankfully I am old enough to listen to my body and immediately stop the movement. Too bad, I am also old enough that I have not had that knee looked at in the 8 months since the onset of pain. It has gotten progressively worse and I really need to see a specialist. It is literally keeping me up at night.

 

[RealDonkeykong]

Tore a lat...No lower back issues disc blowouts ect...Yet if used properly and with caution it is not IMO anymore dangerous than good morning Rows Squats or the bench press that probably has produced far more injuries than dealift. I deadlift every week between 400-675(675 being max) The lower back has had it days deadlifting every week and squatting every week but going all out every week can be dangerous to... The post I originally quoted seemed to me like the member was saying deadlifts are not worth doing do to "the risk"... If your bodybuilding you can easily do sets of 10 or so and with good form actually strengthen the supportive muscles of the lower back and actually make you less prone to injury...

have you ever seriously injured your back? is not like tearing a tricep, a pec, an knee, or having something that u can just train around... imo you have a MUCH greater chance of having a career ENDING injury on the DL then anything else IF something goes wrong.... if something happens, its always lumbar, disks, etc... there is no training anything after you rupture a disk... But I've seen guys tear ACLs and workout the opposite side leg, arms, etc days and weeks after... of course different exercises pose higher or lower risk levels...there is no comparison in my head of the risk of serious, career ending injury doing 600+lb DLs or squats/having a bench press bar crash onto your throat, then putting too much weight on a preacher curl, single arm row, or calf raise...

It was my Fav exercise

 

[RealDonkeykong]

Funny as at my gym it is almost ALWAYS empty... When I have a 3rm or plan on maxing out the squat rack dead area ect will be filled by a large group of HS kids who will do endless sets of 10 (one guy does about 10x10 with 135 and waya about 135)... I normally squeeze in and they always seem to clear out once I start. Then I have to answer ?s while Im trying to get in my mind set and it's pretty hard to explain everything I know in 2-3 minutes. Usually I tell them to go to T-Nation or google The 5x5...

I want to write on the wall of my gym "just because it is a squat or deadlift you do not have to do you 3RM"

We have a whole crew of college age kids who only max, rest 12 minutes between sets, do nothing in the hypertrophy rep range, don't even look like they lift, and then bitch about how it isn't fair that they train "hardcore" but don't grow. I've seen this alot lately. Then they peep at you repping and sweating your ass off and snicker that you are only big because of gear.

 

[jrock00123]

I do them with my trap bar -- weight closer to center of gravity and better quad activation. Of course they are an outstanding mass building exercise. The idea of picking just one exercise is absurd, but the deadlift ranks top of the list for mass building within a well designed training plan.

 

[Kendrxck]

have you ever seriously injured your back? is not like tearing a tricep, a pec, an knee, or having something that u can just train around... imo you have a MUCH greater chance of having a career ENDING injury on the DL then anything else IF something goes wrong.... if something happens, its always lumbar, disks, etc... there is no training anything after you rupture a disk... But I've seen guys tear ACLs and workout the opposite side leg, arms, etc days and weeks after... of course different exercises pose higher or lower risk levels...there is no comparison in my head of the risk of serious, career ending injury doing 600+lb DLs or squats/having a bench press bar crash onto your throat, then putting too much weight on a preacher curl, single arm row, or calf raise...

It was my Fav exercise

Yuuuup blew out my lower back about a year ago doing a warm-up with 225 snatch grip deadlifts. It was excruciating pain. I could hardly breath, and hardly made it to my car. Called my doc immediately, got a shot of toradol from the doc, some etodolac pills, and went home. Had a CT scan the next day, and my spine was fine. I had severely pulled my spinal erectors. Was doing deads twice a week following some damn program. Have re-strained it several times since then... Once while bending over to put on fucking socks. Physical therapy didn't help.

Only thing that's helped my lower back, is strengthening it back up slowly. I lost a lot of muscle in my spinal erectors from the injury, so by training them with LIGHT weight/high rep, it's been getting better. I'm still cautious about it every single time I do something, every single day. Every time I bend over, every time I train, it's in the back of my head.

I just want to be able to deadlift again

 

[little slice]

Yuuuup blew out my lower back about a year ago doing a warm-up with 225 snatch grip deadlifts. It was excruciating pain. I could hardly breath, and hardly made it to my car. Called my doc immediately, got a shot of toradol from the doc, some etodolac pills, and went home. Had a CT scan the next day, and my spine was fine. I had severely pulled my spinal erectors. Was doing deads twice a week following some damn program. Have re-strained it several times since then... Once while bending over to put on fucking socks. Physical therapy didn't help.

Only thing that's helped my lower back, is strengthening it back up slowly. I lost a lot of muscle in my spinal erectors from the injury, so by training them with LIGHT weight/high rep, it's been getting better. I'm still cautious about it every single time I do something, every single day. Every time I bend over, every time I train, it's in the back of my head.

I just want to be able to deadlift again

I used to do deadlifts 3x a week



the things I used to do before I knew better...


amazed I haven't had a serious injury... hope you get back to 100 soon breh

 

[Sir Anabolic]

Pitbulltank nailed it right on. Those back injuries are a different beast. I had a L5/S1 injury caused from heavy deads, not very pleasent

 

[PitbullTank]

It was my fav exercises... yes i agree that if form is kept very good, i never got hurt in 15 years doing them amd it can be very safe... the thing is as bbers we like to push shit amd a form breakdown on a heavy standing bb curl is nowhere near as dangerous as a form breakdown w a heavy DL or squat.... i would list those other exercises as higher risk exercises as well... higher risk doeant mean dont do them obviously... just that w squat, DL, bemt over row, good morning, etc IF the form breaks down they leave u more suspetible to a more serious injury...

I hope noone takes this as bashing the DL... its still my fav lift... i will still watch vids just of guys DL... just was reaponding to their being no higher injury "risk" then other exercises... a few guys here w blown out disks directly bc of it and saying they will nevee be the same is an indication...

675 is a big pull donkey... what is your weight?

 

[RealDonkeykong]

Pitbulltank nailed it right on. Those back injuries are a different beast. I had a L5/S1 injury caused from heavy deads, not very pleasent

I disagree and just want to stick up for poor deadlift.. Both Pitbull and the above poster injured themselves when they knew they should of been going lighter. Hitting a max than jumping 50lbs the next week? Not sure how 225 injued the man doing snatch grip but poor form and overtraining don't make the deadlift a dangerous exercise. The same argument could be used for anything that is a decent compound movement. You can screw up your discs doing over head press as well.

 

[RealDonkeykong]

Sorry posted before I saw this. Just pulled 675 at 208. Compete in 220. Hoping to smoke 700 in October meet. Bulking up a bit as my bench sucks when I am light. I am not arguing against you guys just for the sake of the deadlift. If done properly and safely it can actually keep you from getting injured. Thick muscles surrounding the spine,neck ect can save your life in impact situations like car wreck, hard hit on the football field. I feel like if looked at from a bodybuilders stand point than maybe going heavy on them would not be worth risk. Or perhaps at all as there are many great pros who never deadlifted..

It was my fav exercises... yes i agree that if form is kept very good, i never got hurt in 15 years doing them amd it can be very safe... the thing is as bbers we like to push shit amd a form breakdown on a heavy standing bb curl is nowhere near as dangerous as a form breakdown w a heavy DL or squat.... i would list those other exercises as higher risk exercises as well... higher risk doeant mean dont do them obviously... just that w squat, DL, bemt over row, good morning, etc IF the form breaks down they leave u more suspetible to a more serious injury...

I hope noone takes this as bashing the DL... its still my fav lift... i will still watch vids just of guys DL... just was reaponding to their being no higher injury "risk" then other exercises... a few guys here w blown out disks directly bc of it and saying they will nevee be the same is an indication...

675 is a big pull donkey... what is your weight?

 

[PitbullTank]

https://youtu.be/LHxzb-LLpV0

Heres my sponsored guy Dan Bell a few months... 2270 wrapless... thought ud enjoy bro

 

[Kendrxck]

I disagree and just want to stick up for poor deadlift.. Both Pitbull and the above poster injured themselves when they knew they should of been going lighter. Hitting a max than jumping 50lbs the next week? Not sure how 225 injued the man doing snatch grip but poor form and overtraining don't make the deadlift a dangerous exercise. The same argument could be used for anything that is a decent compound movement. You can screw up your discs doing over head press as well.

Spinal erectors were over-taxed bro. Deadlifting twice a week, plus a leg day, plus whatever other exercises taxed those muscles, all lead to me tearing them.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

I am waiting for the thread where we argue that if we could only easy one food what would it be...