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Do you believe tren causes heart disease?

Do you believe tren causes heart disease?

  • yes

    Votes: 119 65.4%
  • no

    Votes: 63 34.6%

  • Total voters
    182
These questions always capture the same response of people saying that I don't : drink, have a shitty diet, smoke, do recreational drugs, am overweight etc.

That in some way these are all the lesser of the evils of AAS. The fact is that it is all bad for your heart in SOME way. And even though you dont partake in the above mentioned items doesn't take away from the negative shit tren or any other steroid can cause.

It's like asking an alcoholic if he thinks drinking is healthy and his response is "well at least I don't smoke because that's much worse".

It just seems like a lot of people are justifying using steroids with this kind of reasoning lately.

Every man must choose the way he wants to live his life. If certain vices improve the quality of their lives, albeit possibly shorten it, that is their choice. But I do agree with you and everyone here, that awareness and information about the risk for this community are important, but more in an objective manner.
 
64..... I love my toshiba 320 and my dual source :) :)

Actually I think the CT scans I got were 320 too. Whatever they were, they were the highest possible slice ones since it was in one of the better hospitals in the country
 
Has anyone read the latest MD magazine about that tren study on rats where cardiac things actually improved? Thought it was interesting. Took some pics

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it DEFENITELY cause it, like the majority of steroids. Tren might be more dangerous due to its potency though.

But the problem is, the vast majority of people don't understand certain key indicators, due to our catastrophic corrupt deplorable medical system. We don't have access to real medical science, thats why the majority is misled and misinformed.

Cholesterol levels. Those are not just random numbers that go up or down just because. When your HDL goes down and your LDL goes up, people, due to our completely wrong allopathic medicine, see the number itself as the problem. As the disease. The number IS NOT the problem. The number is just an INDICATOR saying that something else is terribly wrong!!!

When a steroid like trenbolone causes the LDL to go up, that means, terrible damage is going on inside your body. Specifically, chronic inflammation. When chronic inflammation occurs in this case in the heart, the walls of the arteries literally begin to tear apart. At a microscopic levels of course. The body has its own mechanism of defense. Key amino acids and vitamins are used to repair and rebuild the tissue faster than it can completely burst. On top of that, the body use key antioxidants to combat the free radicals and prevent or decrease as much as it can oxidative damage. But there is a big problem. The vast majority of humans are severely low in essential nutrients. The right amount of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, are not present in the right quantities. Therefore, the body DOES NOT have the proper raw materials to efficiently combat the toxic effects of trenbolone. Let alone that an athlete needs multiple times more the essential nutrients than a sedentary human needs.

When the body does not have an efficient way to repair and rebuild the tissue on time, it has a secondary last resort measure. Use cholesterol and deposit it in the wall of the arteries in order to prevent internal bleeding. The liver produces more cholesterol and the Low density lipoprotein production goes up to carry the cholesterol to the areas being destroyed.

We can definitely say that when you use steroids, you are literally poisoning yourself just like with any prescription drug. There is no question that drugs are dangerous and can have catastrophic side effects. Its all a matter of weighing the benefits with the cons, and of course being as healthy as possible when it comes to nutrition. But that nutrition is not what you found in the locker room advises or even "generic" diets on boards. It is professional knowledge, assistance, monitoring, it is real medicine.

Lp(a) is a more specific indicator of heart damage, however no allopathic doctor ever test it. Why? ask pharmaceutical corporations.

NOTE: I am not a doctor nor trained in any medical field, I have just read, learn and researched extensively by myself because my dad passed away last year from heart disease. In an attempt to save him, for years I started investigating what was killing him.
I agree that damage to the endothelium (inner lining of the arteries) seems to be the major culprit.

I also recently read that tren damages chromosones which can cange our DNA.
 
Has anyone read the latest MD magazine about that tren study on rats where cardiac things actually improved? Thought it was interesting. Took some pics

Thank you. Tren blast is on deck :headbang:
 
about the tren

every steroids stuff has its side effects, as long as you keep your mind clear and be careful, we can reduce its harm.
 
Discussion of lipoprotein(a) would be like discussion of the solar system. There's area's of both that are unknown with no absolute certainty. There's theories, some robust, some not so much.

The issue that arises, not everyone has elevated levels of Lp(a). Testing for the differentials of lipoproteins would help. It's relative to the individual. Some individuals carry different encoded proteins that consists of 2-43 copies of kringle-type domains. As well, there are 15 different allele copies of the kringle-type. Discussion would be quite broad and complex.

There's strategies to address lowering Lp(a), such optimization of several hormones, low dose ASA, niacin, omega 3's, coconut oil even occasional low dose anabolics, as aforementioned. There's other approaches, those are off the top of my head. Although, some individuals struggle to lower their Lp(a) even with strict compliances.

It's a topic with great interest, yet not everyone is inflicted with the nasty little trait.

If I've had a cardiac MRI and echocardiogram and my results were normal is it still necessary to get a blood test for lipoprotein? Thanks
 
The human equvilant dose would be roughly 36mg/day.

These controlled model studies don't necessarily readily translate to humans.

Noteworthy, nonetheless.

Yea I know but still kind of interesting
 
If I've had a cardiac MRI and echocardiogram and my results were normal is it still necessary to get a blood test for lipoprotein? Thanks

I'd say yes. Wouldn't hurt.
 
Interesting study, HOWEVER, ALWAYS keep in mind that our medical system, the worst in the planet, is 100% for profit only. Our medical system takes no regard for human life, quality of life, human aspect. It is only profit just like any other for-profit business. With that being said, there is still a huge market emerging with prescribing steroids for HRT and all those loopholes. Its profit. Currency. Therefore, all these studies are funded by wealthy pharmaceutical corporations that are NUMBER ONE: Trying to prove their point towards profit. There is no business in curing, theres only business in treating. Thats why all studies will always be biased and lean towards one objective. That objective is always the justification to use a specific drug. For sales, for profit.
 
Interesting study, HOWEVER, ALWAYS keep in mind that our medical system, the worst in the planet, is 100% for profit only. Our medical system takes no regard for human life, quality of life, human aspect. It is only profit just like any other for-profit business. With that being said, there is still a huge market emerging with prescribing steroids for HRT and all those loopholes. Its profit. Currency. Therefore, all these studies are funded by wealthy pharmaceutical corporations that are NUMBER ONE: Trying to prove their point towards profit. There is no business in curing, theres only business in treating. Thats why all studies will always be biased and lean towards one objective. That objective is always the justification to use a specific drug. For sales, for profit.

Then please do not use the healthcare system or the advances in medicine that have come from it or pharmaceuticals. If you are truely serious about that then you wont. But I have met many many guys on the boards who say these things..because they are in decent health.. fast forward to a time when they truly need it and they are singing its praises.

I hope you believe that and wont ever change your ways just because you are desperate.

We have the best people and the brightest minds trying to help ppl..but not ppl like you. I really wish certain ppl could be banned from receiving healthcare but unfortunately we wont do that.

I do the best I can every day and its not just for profit and its not without regard for ppl...those statements are laughable and come from someone who is so misinformed ( using a nice term) that its hilarious.
 
Then please do not use the healthcare system or the advances in medicine that have come from it or pharmaceuticals. If you are truely serious about that then you wont. But I have met many many guys on the boards who say these things..because they are in decent health.. fast forward to a time when they truly need it and they are singing its praises.

I hope you believe that and wont ever change your ways just because you are desperate.

We have the best people and the brightest minds trying to help ppl..but not ppl like you. I really wish certain ppl could be banned from receiving healthcare but unfortunately we wont do that.

I do the best I can every day and its not just for profit and its not without regard for ppl...those statements are laughable and come from someone who is so misinformed ( using a nice term) that its hilarious.

You are completely misinformed. To answer your first point, YES, I stay away from doctors as much as I can simply because they have no idea what they're doing. And this is the reason why. All MD's, no matter whats their specialty, are trained exclusively for allopathic reduction. Thats it. Allopathic reduction means treating conditions with drugs/surgery. Drugs/surgery. But theres a huge problem with that. Most of peoples medical necessities are CHRONIC conditions. And a chronic condition cannot be "treated" with allopathic reduction. Its the wrong specialist. The wrong doctor. Naturopathy is the science that treat and cure chronic diseases. The only time allopathic reduction works is when something fails to the point of no return, when you break a bone, when you cut a finger, when surgery is the last resort, THAT IS the field of an MD. ANYTHING else, IS NOT their field. We only have access only and exclusively to them because we have a twisted, pervert, corrupt, for profit system. Simple as that. ALL the science and technology you claim is completely designed to treat, NOT to cure. Tell me how much money is allocated every year by pharmaceutical corporations to investigate the effects of mineral deficiencies in chronic diseases for example? How much money is allocated every year in researching the almost miraculous benefits of selenium for breast cancer prevention? There is VAST medical science regarding naturopathy, HOWEVER, pharmaceutical corporations don't touch that field. Why? because theres no profit there. Thats why.

From MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I was very sick many years ago. I went to multiple specialists. I was presenting several chronic symptoms. They performed multiple blood tests on me. Ended up in the ER 5 times. Each times they sent me home with "anxiety" and a drug. Each specialist told me "you are ok" After thousands of dollars, NOT A SINGLE FUCK HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE TO TELL ME WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME. Some of them were saying "its in your head, relax, take this drug, you have anxiety" Thousands of dollars spent for that.
Until I found Naturopathic medicine and cured myself of course with the help of real specialists.

My father had his first heart attack in the early 80's. Since the beginning DOCTORS, MD's, told him to stay away from cholesterol. To not consume cholesterol, to not consume fat. Cholesterol and fat were evil. And they put him on statin drugs. In the late 80's they did bypass surgery on him. 2 bypasses. His heart kept doing heart attacks. In 1999 he had a second heart surgery. 3 new bypasses. Finally last year he passed away. His heart failed after multiple heart attacks in the past 5 years. ALL THAT ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE NEVER WORKED. The underlying condition was always there. FOR 30 YEARS, naturopathic doctors have been saying that cholesterol and fat HAS NO RELATION to heart disease. No relation whatsoever. Yet, Naturopathic doctors are only licensed to practice in only 17 states. WHY??? Can you answer me the question??

Ultimately you mention you hear a lot of guys on these boards saying the same things because they're in decent health. TRUE, because theyre young, and its just amateur of time until something fails on them. Why? Because of the HORRIBLE medical system we have. Because all of our people is deficient in nutrients. Because we don't have a real medical system with preventive medicine. Preventive medicine is to make sure that we are putting all the necessary nutrients in our bodies in order to prevent chronic conditions. Instead, we only have access to early detection. That is all we have, because is based on allopathic medicine.

I am doing my best to take care of my long term health and stay away as much as I can from an MD and ANY drug. Every person I come across I talk to them to stay away from doctors and to dump the drugs in the crapper.
 
I believe anything that causes night sweats, increased resting heart rate, anxiety, stomach issues, blood pressure issues, increased liver values, nightmares can be nothing but horrible for your heart. If you think otherwise your foolish. And it's definitely not like any other steroid. Just be smart and take at your own risk.


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every steroids stuff has its side effects, as long as you keep your mind clear and be careful, we can reduce its harm.



agreed,you should have your own thought at whatever you take


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whats your opinion on a permanent cruise of 15mg tren ace a day? Ive been on that with my test replacement of 100mg a week for like 2 years.

all my bloodwork done by test prescribing dr....always good.
 
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