started training late in life. over 200lbs got down to 160 after 3-4 months with a huge strength gain. competed at my first show 2 years later at 172 lbs. i am 5'6". managed to compete in the light heavy class while still a natural. after 10+ years training naturally i went on TRT started cycling a short time later. figure i put on 30+ lbs in the 10 years i was natural. maybe added another 10 or so while getting into the 5-6% bf range while cycling. my strength did not sky rocket after being on, but i already had a good idea about training and eating after all the years being natural.