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I am part of a private group on facebook that advocates magnesium and talks about magnesium deficiency in depth. Now, their views obviously might be biased or slighted, but an interesting topic came up the other day. I am an advocate of Vitamin D3 and levels in the 60-80ng range...but I am not well-versed enough to peel this issue apart and come to a direct conclusion. According to them, Vitamin D deficiency is really magnesium deficiency and excess Vitamin D supplementation causes magnesium deficiency.
Take a look. This link has been brought up several times in the group and everyone is told to go read it and get these 4 levels tested for before commenting or going on a crusade about Vitamin D etc...
Hormone D
Here are some quotes from group members who are supposedly quite knowledgeable...and a few others from "followers" posting testimonials who have supposedly made the mistake of taking Vitamin D. I am not sure if they are just drinking the kool-aid or these advocates are onto something.
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*Basically, supplementing isolated D3 can be hazardous to your health. It can cause kidney potassium wasting and depletes Magnesium.
Get the recommended testing so you know the status of your body.
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*It increases calcium absorption, and calcium out of balance with mag (or anything else) is not conducive to a happy, healthy body.
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*Increase magnesium and the D will come up
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*I never knew this and learned the hard way. I have been taking 5,000 units of vitamin d for two years. I have horrible joint pain and stiffness. I stopped the vit d and am going to start magnesium
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*I ditched Hormone D and it's partner in crime - calcium about 3 -4 years ago. My D was off the charts high and I had all sorts of unregulated calcium coursing throughout my body. Felt like crap. Tight muscled all the time. Then I hooked up with Maggie, ditched the D and the Ca and all has been very good! I get D from the sun (just 10-15 minutes a day) and get my Ca from food.
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* I myself took D like candy for a few years. Now I am hypothyroid with high ionized calcium floating around, messed up menses. I have been here a year trying to correct the damage. I'm headed in the right direction and feel so much better.
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*Use natural sources....grass fed and free range animals...their butter and eggs, cod liver oil, mushrooms, sun, tanning beds with correct UVB lightbulbs
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*ON WHY D3 SUPPLEMENTS ARE NOT NATURAL....
Someone in the tread did ask for the list of labs and that is what I have handy. Lanolin is derived from wool-bearing animals like sheep. To get vitamin D from lanolin, supplement manufacturers first purify it and crystallize it, then put it through a chemical process and I do not agree that it is completely natural. When taking D please know that it depletes mag and drives up your calcium. I have seen a few people here post that they once could not tolerate the sun either but once they worked on restoring mag levels they where able to tolerate it.
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*Lanolin is derived from wool-bearing animals like sheep. To get vitamin D from lanolin, supplement manufacturers first purify it and crystallize it, then put it through a chemical process that produces a substance called 7-dehydrocholesterol. The 7-dehydrocholesterol is then liquefied in an organic solvent and exposed to ultraviolet radiation. These chemical changes turn 7-dehydrocholesterol into a substance called vitamin D-3. Next, supplement manufacturers further purify and crystallize this vitamin and add it to their products.
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*This is a quote from Morley that I have saved and really breaks it down simply and really helped me understand the affects of D. "Simply put, there are two Seesaws with Hormone-D:
o Seesaw #1: the balance of Active Hormone-D (1,25 Hydroxy) which your doctor NEVER tests to Storage Hormone-D (25 Hydroxy) which is what is ALWAYS tested... They ride on a rail together...
o Seesaw #2: the balance of Calcium to Magnesium... They, too, ride of a rail together..
Now, this is the most important part:
o Magnesium & Storage Hormone-D are tied together...
o Calcium and Active Hormone-D are tied together...
So, when Storage Hormone-D is LOW, this is what it REALLY means:
1) Magnesium is likely deficient or certainly Low...
2) Active Hormone-D is HIGH -- they are on a seesaw!
3) Calcium is ALSO HIGH -- again, it's on a seesaw with Maggie...
And when Storage Hormone-D is low, it means you need Mo'' Maggie (& Mo' Cholesterol) in your diet...
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Worrying about Hormone-D in isolation of these OTHER critical components of your overall health is very risky business... "
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*it is important to know the ratios of storae and active "D" and ionized calcium to know if supplementing D is warranted. If, yes, then from food forms as listed above. Not isolated D3.
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*When ingested, synthetic vitamin D products (including Lanolin) mobilize calcium from the bones into the bloodstream, producing hypercalcemia, kidney failure, central nervous system depression and heart failure – all signs of parathyroid dysfunction.
When taken in by the sun your body will only take in what it needs. Cod liver oil is natural Vit A. and D and your body know what to do with it.
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* I too followed Mercola for years. I took his advise order the only D3 test he suggests. Years later I am now Hypothyroid, messed up menses, high ionized calcium, have messed up copper levels and was feeling like I was 80. I only learned that it was all connected after joining this group and doing the labs to confirm what was truly going on. I stopped taking D and after 1 year trying to correct things I am feeling better. I am just trying to share what I learned about my health. It is ultimately a personal decision on how anyone handles their own health.
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*Think of supplementing D based on 25 hydroxy D alone like treating thyroid jst based upon TSH.. you do not have a complete clinical picture.
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* If you do decide to continue with the D3, please remember it has to be balanced with Vitamin A. I suggest desiccated liver supplements for not only Vitamin A but overall health. Also I hope you've checked for copper zinc imbalances. Copper is very important for immune health.
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*Testing is the key to Hormone-D
Yes, this is what ALL the controversy is about with Hormone-D… getting from one state to the next!
The molecule on the Left is Calcidiol, aka 25(OH)D or the “Storage” form of the Hormone.
The molecule on the Right is Calcitriol, aka 1,25(OH)2 D3 or the “Active” form of the Hormone.
And you can’t get from Left state to Right state without consuming Magnesium and Mg-ATP… And that’s a fact.
Well, if you do nothing else today, please take the 10-min to watch this interview with Kenny L. De Meirleir, MD, PhD, a pre-eminent physiologist, internist and ME/CFS researcher based in Brussels:
He is MOST clear in his position re Hormone-D:
“Low 25(OH)D is just a ‘witness’ that you have too much 1,25(OH)2 D3…” (this is ~4:30 in the video…)
He is critical of his professional colleagues for recommending so much “D”-pendence on this supplement…
He indicates the ratio of 1,25(OH)2 D3 (“Active”) to 25(OH)D (“Storage”) SHOULD BE 1.5, “maybe” 2 times greater, but what he is now finding are patients with FOUR TO FIVE TIMES (4-5X) more “Active” Hormone, compared to their “Storage” Hormone. It sets the stage for severe mineral and metabolic imbalance.
I have LOOOOONG suspected and theorized that this was, in fact, exactly what was happening, and now have clinical proof from one of the foremost authorities on this very dynamic. And why is this so alarming? Because HIGH levels of “Active” Hormone-D are indications of excess, unregulated Calcium in the blood. (And what makes it “unregulated?” — Too little Magnesium, as you no doubt imagined!…)
So, what to do?…
Please look BEFORE you “D”cide to supplement!
Conduct the following four blood tests to have certainty of your need for additional supplemental “D” — not because you read a glitzy article, or that your neighbor stressed the need, or worse yet, that your not-fully-informed doctor “ordered” you to do so. That they are choosing to overlook the metabolic foundation of this issue is a bit unsettling, at best…
The tests that get to the metabolic truth are as follows:
Magnesium RBC (Red Blood Cell): it’s the KEY catalyst for creating “Storage” and “Active” forms of this Hormone…
25(OH)D blood test: it’s the measure of the “Storage” form, the precursor to “Active” form of this Hormone…
1,25(OH)2 D3 blood test: it’s the measure of the “Active” form of this Hormone…
“Ionized” Serum Calcium blood test (NOT a standard serum test!): given that Calcitriol’s JOB in the body is to put MORE Calcium into the blood stream, it only makes sense to know exactly how much you have there already, right?…
So, please, look BEFORE you take a “D”ive!
And if you need a refresher on why excess, unregulated Calcium is NOT your friend, please review this article that Carolyn Dean, MD, ND and I wrote in December, 2012:
The Calcium Wars: Magnesium deficiency causes heart disease - NaturalNews.com
I’m confident that this new information will be troubling to some, a bit confusing to others, but absolutely beneficial to all who take the time to read this, and act on it… I strongly encourage you to do so!
A votre sante!
Take a look. This link has been brought up several times in the group and everyone is told to go read it and get these 4 levels tested for before commenting or going on a crusade about Vitamin D etc...
Hormone D
Here are some quotes from group members who are supposedly quite knowledgeable...and a few others from "followers" posting testimonials who have supposedly made the mistake of taking Vitamin D. I am not sure if they are just drinking the kool-aid or these advocates are onto something.
-------------------------------
*Basically, supplementing isolated D3 can be hazardous to your health. It can cause kidney potassium wasting and depletes Magnesium.
Get the recommended testing so you know the status of your body.
-------------------------------
*It increases calcium absorption, and calcium out of balance with mag (or anything else) is not conducive to a happy, healthy body.
-------------------------------
*Increase magnesium and the D will come up
-------------------------------
*I never knew this and learned the hard way. I have been taking 5,000 units of vitamin d for two years. I have horrible joint pain and stiffness. I stopped the vit d and am going to start magnesium
--------------------------------
*I ditched Hormone D and it's partner in crime - calcium about 3 -4 years ago. My D was off the charts high and I had all sorts of unregulated calcium coursing throughout my body. Felt like crap. Tight muscled all the time. Then I hooked up with Maggie, ditched the D and the Ca and all has been very good! I get D from the sun (just 10-15 minutes a day) and get my Ca from food.
--------------------------------
* I myself took D like candy for a few years. Now I am hypothyroid with high ionized calcium floating around, messed up menses. I have been here a year trying to correct the damage. I'm headed in the right direction and feel so much better.
---------------------------------
*Use natural sources....grass fed and free range animals...their butter and eggs, cod liver oil, mushrooms, sun, tanning beds with correct UVB lightbulbs
----------------------------------
*ON WHY D3 SUPPLEMENTS ARE NOT NATURAL....
Someone in the tread did ask for the list of labs and that is what I have handy. Lanolin is derived from wool-bearing animals like sheep. To get vitamin D from lanolin, supplement manufacturers first purify it and crystallize it, then put it through a chemical process and I do not agree that it is completely natural. When taking D please know that it depletes mag and drives up your calcium. I have seen a few people here post that they once could not tolerate the sun either but once they worked on restoring mag levels they where able to tolerate it.
-----------------------------------
*Lanolin is derived from wool-bearing animals like sheep. To get vitamin D from lanolin, supplement manufacturers first purify it and crystallize it, then put it through a chemical process that produces a substance called 7-dehydrocholesterol. The 7-dehydrocholesterol is then liquefied in an organic solvent and exposed to ultraviolet radiation. These chemical changes turn 7-dehydrocholesterol into a substance called vitamin D-3. Next, supplement manufacturers further purify and crystallize this vitamin and add it to their products.
------------------------------------
*This is a quote from Morley that I have saved and really breaks it down simply and really helped me understand the affects of D. "Simply put, there are two Seesaws with Hormone-D:
o Seesaw #1: the balance of Active Hormone-D (1,25 Hydroxy) which your doctor NEVER tests to Storage Hormone-D (25 Hydroxy) which is what is ALWAYS tested... They ride on a rail together...
o Seesaw #2: the balance of Calcium to Magnesium... They, too, ride of a rail together..
Now, this is the most important part:
o Magnesium & Storage Hormone-D are tied together...
o Calcium and Active Hormone-D are tied together...
So, when Storage Hormone-D is LOW, this is what it REALLY means:
1) Magnesium is likely deficient or certainly Low...
2) Active Hormone-D is HIGH -- they are on a seesaw!
3) Calcium is ALSO HIGH -- again, it's on a seesaw with Maggie...
And when Storage Hormone-D is low, it means you need Mo'' Maggie (& Mo' Cholesterol) in your diet...
---------------------------------
Worrying about Hormone-D in isolation of these OTHER critical components of your overall health is very risky business... "
---------------------------------
*it is important to know the ratios of storae and active "D" and ionized calcium to know if supplementing D is warranted. If, yes, then from food forms as listed above. Not isolated D3.
----------------------------------
*When ingested, synthetic vitamin D products (including Lanolin) mobilize calcium from the bones into the bloodstream, producing hypercalcemia, kidney failure, central nervous system depression and heart failure – all signs of parathyroid dysfunction.
When taken in by the sun your body will only take in what it needs. Cod liver oil is natural Vit A. and D and your body know what to do with it.
------------------------------------
* I too followed Mercola for years. I took his advise order the only D3 test he suggests. Years later I am now Hypothyroid, messed up menses, high ionized calcium, have messed up copper levels and was feeling like I was 80. I only learned that it was all connected after joining this group and doing the labs to confirm what was truly going on. I stopped taking D and after 1 year trying to correct things I am feeling better. I am just trying to share what I learned about my health. It is ultimately a personal decision on how anyone handles their own health.
-------------------------------------
*Think of supplementing D based on 25 hydroxy D alone like treating thyroid jst based upon TSH.. you do not have a complete clinical picture.
--------------------------------------
* If you do decide to continue with the D3, please remember it has to be balanced with Vitamin A. I suggest desiccated liver supplements for not only Vitamin A but overall health. Also I hope you've checked for copper zinc imbalances. Copper is very important for immune health.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
*Testing is the key to Hormone-D
Yes, this is what ALL the controversy is about with Hormone-D… getting from one state to the next!
The molecule on the Left is Calcidiol, aka 25(OH)D or the “Storage” form of the Hormone.
The molecule on the Right is Calcitriol, aka 1,25(OH)2 D3 or the “Active” form of the Hormone.
And you can’t get from Left state to Right state without consuming Magnesium and Mg-ATP… And that’s a fact.
Well, if you do nothing else today, please take the 10-min to watch this interview with Kenny L. De Meirleir, MD, PhD, a pre-eminent physiologist, internist and ME/CFS researcher based in Brussels:
He is MOST clear in his position re Hormone-D:
“Low 25(OH)D is just a ‘witness’ that you have too much 1,25(OH)2 D3…” (this is ~4:30 in the video…)
He is critical of his professional colleagues for recommending so much “D”-pendence on this supplement…
He indicates the ratio of 1,25(OH)2 D3 (“Active”) to 25(OH)D (“Storage”) SHOULD BE 1.5, “maybe” 2 times greater, but what he is now finding are patients with FOUR TO FIVE TIMES (4-5X) more “Active” Hormone, compared to their “Storage” Hormone. It sets the stage for severe mineral and metabolic imbalance.
I have LOOOOONG suspected and theorized that this was, in fact, exactly what was happening, and now have clinical proof from one of the foremost authorities on this very dynamic. And why is this so alarming? Because HIGH levels of “Active” Hormone-D are indications of excess, unregulated Calcium in the blood. (And what makes it “unregulated?” — Too little Magnesium, as you no doubt imagined!…)
So, what to do?…
Please look BEFORE you “D”cide to supplement!
Conduct the following four blood tests to have certainty of your need for additional supplemental “D” — not because you read a glitzy article, or that your neighbor stressed the need, or worse yet, that your not-fully-informed doctor “ordered” you to do so. That they are choosing to overlook the metabolic foundation of this issue is a bit unsettling, at best…
The tests that get to the metabolic truth are as follows:
Magnesium RBC (Red Blood Cell): it’s the KEY catalyst for creating “Storage” and “Active” forms of this Hormone…
25(OH)D blood test: it’s the measure of the “Storage” form, the precursor to “Active” form of this Hormone…
1,25(OH)2 D3 blood test: it’s the measure of the “Active” form of this Hormone…
“Ionized” Serum Calcium blood test (NOT a standard serum test!): given that Calcitriol’s JOB in the body is to put MORE Calcium into the blood stream, it only makes sense to know exactly how much you have there already, right?…
So, please, look BEFORE you take a “D”ive!
And if you need a refresher on why excess, unregulated Calcium is NOT your friend, please review this article that Carolyn Dean, MD, ND and I wrote in December, 2012:
The Calcium Wars: Magnesium deficiency causes heart disease - NaturalNews.com
I’m confident that this new information will be troubling to some, a bit confusing to others, but absolutely beneficial to all who take the time to read this, and act on it… I strongly encourage you to do so!
A votre sante!
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