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My older friend who was a pro in the 80s took 2cc Deca and 25-30mg Ciba Dbol for bulking 2cc test and 30mg winny cutting...stayed on for 10 straight years
I stopped reading at "people got monkey features"
One important factor when guys go on about drugs being better is time on hormones. All of us blew up from our first few cycles and they were amazing. 30mg dbol does not change me the same as it did when I was 24 years old and weighing less. Everything changes even just down to the mentality of taking aas. Everything is more exciting when you first start out. Your 15th dbol cycle is a bit different to your 2nd.
Hello Elvia!
I'm afraid this argument sort of underestimates our logical thinking. By "our" I mean us who think generally available gear was better back then.
I don't and don't think any of us does, compare my cycles today to my cycles back then. We compare youngsters cycles back then with youngsters cycles today. In the 80's me and my friends could buy only 3 things, they were all OTC by the way: sust250, deca50 and drol50. There was vet winny but very rare. Obviously, these were all pharmacy grade.
Very few took deca back then, mainly because a 50 amp of deca would cost the same as a 250 amp of sustanon, so test had more bang for your back, we were kids and blah blah blah... A common first cycle was one sust amp a week for 2 months. The more courageous ones would add a drol a day. For the second cycle it could be 2 amps per week with or without drol... Two tabs of drol a day was unheard of.
Kids, me included, grew like weed from those cycles.
Now I see kids same age doing more gear from the best UGLs available here and not having the same results. I know a 19 year old on 750 test and 50 drol and he doesn't even look like he lifts.
And the "food was better" argument doesn't cut either in my opinion. Most stuff we get here is still organic. Money was scarce back then like it is today. It's not like we all could buy a whole chicken and 30 eggs every day. Just the average diet.
It's too bad I was never familiar with Ciba's dbol, as it was never sold here, but I leave this question to the geezers of this forum:
Would a 18 year old on his first cycle of 20mg dbol nowadays from the best source available have similar gains to a 18 year old in 1969 taking 20mg of Ciba's dbol? Only stuff you've seen, please.
It's great to see you posting again
Oddly enough, there's also the stuff from an unknown brand, fairly cheap, that you come across only once in your lifetime and works 10x better than anything you have ever tried, UGL or pharma.
This is one of the great mysteries of this cult IMO. That oddly shaped pill that you bought cheap from a source that is long gone and you'd see changes in the mirror every day, or that generic HGH that blew anything out of the water, but nobody knows where to find.
And then you keep your whole life feeling like crap because you didn't buy a 20 year supply of that stuff.
No doubt. 7$ for barely over a pound of 96/4 ground beef?! Doesn't even last me a day lmao
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Has it happened outside of the compounding pharmacy? Remember seeing a video on that, but haven't kept up on all his videos.
I know my sister in law got under dosed synthroid from her compounding pharmacy for a while, but don't personally know of under dosed/bunk cases outside of compounding pharms.
Yes we have spoken about this before. A certain batch of kigtropins comes to mind. I swear my nose hair grew about 1cm in two days
Only "cycle" I did before was back in this era. I'm 49 now, starting my first true knowledgable cycle now. Back then? I was 20-21, living in San Deigo and a total gym rat. I trained twice daily at Valley Barbell in El Cajon. I'm sure a few of you old timers have heard of that place. I lived next door to the owner and he got me in.
So anyhow, a pro body builder there befriended me. He was impressed with my hard core dedication. He gave me a small blue bottle with blue pills in it. Told me to take 1 pill for the first week, 2 for the second week, three for the third week and top out at four pills for three weeks, then come down the same way. At the time I was pretty naturally ripped. My bench was a good 8 sets at 315. I got on this stuff and by the time I was into the third pill I noticed some incredible changes. For one, the pumps I was getting was so hard, I couldn't even finish my sets as it felt like my muscles would rip open my skin. By the peak of the cycle, I was benching 365, sets of 8 at 20-21 years old. I walked around like I could kill anything that moved.
Came off the stuff like he told me and kept a lot of my gains. There was no PCT back then. I just felt low for a few weeks and things slowly came back. Probably my age. I was eating like a horse too. I ate everything and still lost fat. I did retain some water though. Great times!