BigNShredded
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IMHO: the supplement industry (as a whole) is a total sham.
That is correct, which is why you need to carefully SELECT a few companies to deal with, out of the many(that are a sham).
IMHO: the supplement industry (as a whole) is a total sham.
Thoughts?
I made this poll multiple choice, that way you can choose the combo of answers that you find to be the best.
It needs to be BULGARIAN and standardized to contain at least 20% Protodioscin(the active steroidal saponin). Studies have shown that Tribulus from different soils in different geographical locations will produce variations in Protodioscin levels, as well as other Frustanol Saponins.
All of the studies showing that Tribulus is not effective did not use a standardized Bulgarian extract. This effect has been documented, and Tribulus has also been proven to increase Testosterone in primates.
I've been using Tribestan for years, it's actually a pharmaceutical-grade product.
Its garbage to increase endogenous androgen levels.
I dont care what % saponin you or a supplement company claims to sell, they have all been independently tested and shown no increases in androgen levels.
It is good for a labido increase, but thats it.
Its garbage to increase endogenous androgen levels.
I dont care what % saponin you or a supplement company claims to sell, they have all been independently tested and shown no increases in androgen levels.
It is good for a labido increase, but thats it.
INCORRECT, show me just ONE STUDY performed on men using a STANDARDIZED BULGARIAN TRIBULUS EXTRACT--just one. You can't..
Sopharma Bulgaria has tons of clinical data, and if that isn't enough, just look at the posts in this thread. There are also PRIMATE studies(and other animals) that demonstrated a significant increase in testosterone.
INCORRECT, show me just ONE STUDY performed on men using a STANDARDIZED BULGARIAN TRIBULUS EXTRACT--just one. You can't..
Sopharma Bulgaria has tons of clinical data, and if that isn't enough, just look at the posts in this thread. There are also PRIMATE studies(and other animals) that demonstrated a significant increase in testosterone.
J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23.
The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
Source
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. [email protected]
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males.
DESIGN AND METHODS:
Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation.
RESULTS:
There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.
To quote from the full paper,
"Tribulus terrestris w(origin Bulgaria) extract encapsulated
in gelatinous capsules each containing 200 mg of the dry
extract approved by Bulgarian Ministry of Public Health
under no. 04-2003 with ext. ref. no. 4465-1809/021003 were
purchased from “Vemo 99” Ltd., Sofia, Bulgaria. The steroid
saponins concentration has been determined to be 60% of the
dry matter."